All Blacks 2022
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
Is that why Ofa is so fast for a prop, or Cane slow for a loosie?
Ofa is a lightweight.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph that makes it look like the jolting impact to force the turnover came from Cane with Ofas low tackle simply enabling that contact. So I really don't follow what people are saying in this thread. Or is it a different tackle? The Barnes article was just a click bait windup.
I'm not savvy enough to turn it into a gif but in the motion/video it's Ofa's hit that has all the impact.
I've gone into way too much detail already so I might as well keep going.
It looks like the ball comes out prior to Cane making any contact at all as Furlong carries into contact with his left arm/side and this is a still image from just before the image I posted above with Ofa making the hit and Cane between Ardie and Furlong (blocked by Irish 8 Doris) yet to make contact.
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Cane doesn't really do anything. Ofa just tackles the player into Cane.
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@Dice said in All Blacks 2022:
Cane doesn't really do anything. Ofa just tackles the player into Cane.
But that's not the massive hit Cane did. Why is that one even being debated?
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dice said in All Blacks 2022:
Cane doesn't really do anything. Ofa just tackles the player into Cane.
But that's not the massive hit Cane did. Why is that one even being debated?
Because that big hit was called as from cane in game and was then mentioned in a lot of press articles in their post match reviews and player ratings.
Could you point out the big hit cane did do?
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dice said in All Blacks 2022:
Cane doesn't really do anything. Ofa just tackles the player into Cane.
But that's not the massive hit Cane did. Why is that one even being debated?
Because that big hit was called as from cane in game and was then mentioned in a lot of press articles in their post match reviews and player ratings.
Could you point out the big hit cane did do?
You don't expect those screaming idiots to get things correct do you?
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dice said in All Blacks 2022:
Cane doesn't really do anything. Ofa just tackles the player into Cane.
But that's not the massive hit Cane did. Why is that one even being debated?
Because that big hit was called as from cane in game and was then mentioned in a lot of press articles in their post match reviews and player ratings.
Could you point out the big hit cane did do?
I'm not going to go back through the footage, but the same one from the side that @Bones mentioned.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dice said in All Blacks 2022:
Cane doesn't really do anything. Ofa just tackles the player into Cane.
But that's not the massive hit Cane did. Why is that one even being debated?
Because that big hit was called as from cane in game and was then mentioned in a lot of press articles in their post match reviews and player ratings.
Could you point out the big hit cane did do?
I'm not going to go back through the footage, but the same one from the side that @Bones mentioned.
I like you Nepia see things in game, but I don't take note of when they happen etc or be bothered to go back through game to find them, but I thought the big Cane hit was different to that one.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dice said in All Blacks 2022:
Cane doesn't really do anything. Ofa just tackles the player into Cane.
But that's not the massive hit Cane did. Why is that one even being debated?
Because that big hit was called as from cane in game and was then mentioned in a lot of press articles in their post match reviews and player ratings.
Could you point out the big hit cane did do?
I'm not going to go back through the footage, but the same one from the side that @Bones mentioned.
yeah this is a weird one even for the Fern. Cane absolutely flattens a bloke, i even commented on it in the game thread because i was in teh middle of typing a post about where the fuck our loosies were.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dice said in All Blacks 2022:
Cane doesn't really do anything. Ofa just tackles the player into Cane.
But that's not the massive hit Cane did. Why is that one even being debated?
Because that big hit was called as from cane in game and was then mentioned in a lot of press articles in their post match reviews and player ratings.
Could you point out the big hit cane did do?
I'm not going to go back through the footage, but the same one from the side that @Bones mentioned.
Are you sure that wasn't done by Ofa too?
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@Nepia cane is doing a good job there regardless. If he throws too much intent he risks a card as the guy is well chopped.
Can stays high in the line and helps dislodge the ball. See ardie fades off and looks for the jackal, different intents from 2 inside defenders.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Sorry for derailing the thread.
Getting back on track - this is a good article that shows the maturing of Rieko - he's come a long way the last couple of years.
All very good, but it is his decision making that he really needs to work on. He was behind the errors leading to two Irish tries. As an individual he's awesome, but decisions as 13 needs a lot of work
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
He was behind the errors leading to two Irish tries
I'm interested to hear more about this.
The first irish try came from 18 phases and the ABs defence had numbered up correctly.
The second irish try came from Jordie shooting up leaving a slight overlap/gap on the outside.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
He was behind the errors leading to two Irish tries
I'm interested to hear more about this.
The first irish try came from 18 phases and the ABs defence had numbered up correctly.
The second irish try came from Jordie shooting up leaving a slight overlap/gap on the outside.
The reasoning behind that comment is pretty clear in this - originally shared by @Machpants in the first test thread
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@delicatessen said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
He was behind the errors leading to two Irish tries
I'm interested to hear more about this.
The first irish try came from 18 phases and the ABs defence had numbered up correctly.
The second irish try came from Jordie shooting up leaving a slight overlap/gap on the outside.
The reasoning behind that comment is pretty clear in this - originally shared by @Machpants in the first test thread
Thanks!
Really interesting reading.
I disagree with the comment that Jordie had no choice but to shoot up for the 2nd try given Rieko's speed and ability to close space late. To me that looks like two players first test of the season not used to defending together.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@delicatessen said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
He was behind the errors leading to two Irish tries
I'm interested to hear more about this.
The first irish try came from 18 phases and the ABs defence had numbered up correctly.
The second irish try came from Jordie shooting up leaving a slight overlap/gap on the outside.
The reasoning behind that comment is pretty clear in this - originally shared by @Machpants in the first test thread
Thanks!
Really interesting reading.
I disagree with the comment that Jordie had no choice but to shoot up for the 2nd try given Rieko's speed and ability to close space late. To me that looks like two players first test of the season not used to defending together.
Yep you're probably right. It must be a tough line to tread for a high-level rugby player - where's the line between trusting your team-mate to do his job, and stepping in because you trust your own ability?
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@delicatessen said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@delicatessen said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
He was behind the errors leading to two Irish tries
I'm interested to hear more about this.
The first irish try came from 18 phases and the ABs defence had numbered up correctly.
The second irish try came from Jordie shooting up leaving a slight overlap/gap on the outside.
The reasoning behind that comment is pretty clear in this - originally shared by @Machpants in the first test thread
Thanks!
Really interesting reading.
I disagree with the comment that Jordie had no choice but to shoot up for the 2nd try given Rieko's speed and ability to close space late. To me that looks like two players first test of the season not used to defending together.
Yep you're probably right. It must be a tough line to tread for a high-level rugby player - where's the line between trusting your team-mate to do his job, and stepping in because you trust your own ability?
IMO you ALWAYs trust your team mate, because then if it doesn't happen it is their fault
But really you've got to trust otherwise defensive systems will never work. More tries are given away by players covering someone that they don;t need to but can't help themselves than just leaving it to a team mate who fails
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