All Blacks 2022
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Pub leaner like thinking going on here. I'm out.
Don't leave. How else are we to bathe in your exalted knowledge of high performing teams?
Hardly need much knowledge to recognise that good teams delegate tasks and look for people with expertise in areas of weakness.
The CEO has a Deputy that is the CFO who in turn pays for advice from a tax expert.People here are so keen to stick the boot into Foster and Co that they are coming up with rubbish. So you want a Head Coach that knows everything and has no need for assistants? And those assistants must, in turn, have the best knowledge about everything in their sphere?
It doen't happen that way in business, It doesn't happen that way with other country's rugby teams (some of who are better than us at the moment).
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Pub leaner like thinking going on here. I'm out.
Don't leave. How else are we to bathe in your exalted knowledge of high performing teams?
ah come on fella, that's a cheap shot.
Some discussion about whether additional skills coaches to support the specialists is legit. I'm far frmo convinced that the incumbents are really driving their portfolios. This feels a bit different to a specialist kicking coach workign with goalkickers, for instance - the question really is what are they bringing that the current lot aren't? And would you expect the incumbents to be able to deliver it?
More voices is risky. It can be useful, but clear, consistent and simple messages is often better than lots of different opinons.
I'm far from convinced
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I can understand the need for specialists, and in an ever changing landscape, it is good they are looking at this, but the way I see it, is they are just plugging gaps in the current coaches skillsets, that you assume werent there in previous coaching teams.
So Fozzie has been in charge for 2 years now, since then they have added Schmidt, Strawbridge and Cron to the coaching team, I assume completely new roles?
Surely you need to look closer at the existing team and understand why there is a need for these new positions...is there a gap coming through NPC/Super not preparing coaches adequately? Are player needs changing? Or is this team just not upto it?
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Pub leaner like thinking going on here. I'm out.
Don't leave. How else are we to bathe in your exalted knowledge of high performing teams?
Hardly need much knowledge to recognise that good teams delegate tasks and look for people with expertise in areas of weakness.
The CEO has a Deputy that is the CFO who in turn pays for advice from a tax expert.People here are so keen to stick the boot into Foster and Co that they are coming up with rubbish. So you want a Head Coach that knows everything and has no need for assistants? And those assistants must, in turn, have the best knowledge about everything in their sphere?
It doen't happen that way in business, It doesn't happen that way with other country's rugby teams (some of who are better than us at the moment).
yes...but there does come a point when you go..."isn't that your job?"...i cant just hire people to do the stuff im shit at or dont like...eventually my boss will work out that he can just keep one of us and that hiring me was a mistake....hmmmm
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
I can understand the need for specialists, and in an ever changing landscape, it is good they are looking at this, but the way I see it, is they are plugging gaps in the current coaches skillset.
So Fozzie has been in charge for 2 years now, since then they have added Schmidt, Strawbridge and Cron to the coaching team, I assume completely new roles?
Surely you need to look closer at the existing team and understand why there is a need for these new positions...is there a gap coming through NPC/Super not preparing coaches adequately? Are player needs changing? Or is this team just not upto it?
Wrong. Schmidt is replacing Fox. Strawbridge and Cron are (hopefully) adding some detail as part time 'experts'.
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Pub leaner like thinking going on here. I'm out.
Don't leave. How else are we to bathe in your exalted knowledge of high performing teams?
Hardly need much knowledge to recognise that good teams delegate tasks and look for people with expertise in areas of weakness.
The CEO has a Deputy that is the CFO who in turn pays for advice from a tax expert.People here are so keen to stick the boot into Foster and Co that they are coming up with rubbish. So you want a Head Coach that knows everything and has no need for assistants?
That's an argument that no one is making here. Congrats on your straw man.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Pub leaner like thinking going on here. I'm out.
Don't leave. How else are we to bathe in your exalted knowledge of high performing teams?
ah come on fella, that's a cheap shot.
And calling people with different opinions "pub leaners" isn't?
Some discussion about whether additional skills coaches to support the specialists is legit. I'm far frmo convinced that the incumbents are really driving their portfolios. This feels a bit different to a specialist kicking coach workign with goalkickers, for instance - the question really is what are they bringing that the current lot aren't? And would you expect the incumbents to be able to deliver it?
More voices is risky. It can be useful, but clear, consistent and simple messages is often better than lots of different opinons.
See this post (https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/post/704781) and this one (https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/post/704790).
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Pub leaner like thinking going on here. I'm out.
Don't leave. How else are we to bathe in your exalted knowledge of high performing teams?
Hardly need much knowledge to recognise that good teams delegate tasks and look for people with expertise in areas of weakness.
The CEO has a Deputy that is the CFO who in turn pays for advice from a tax expert.Nope, for big business that's normal.
This is like the CFO paying for someone else to to do their own role because their performance isn't adequate. Basically paying twice for the same thing and eventually they will be found out and removed.
Public Servants and bad business are excellent at paying twice
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@hooroo said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Pub leaner like thinking going on here. I'm out.
Don't leave. How else are we to bathe in your exalted knowledge of high performing teams?
Hardly need much knowledge to recognise that good teams delegate tasks and look for people with expertise in areas of weakness.
The CEO has a Deputy that is the CFO who in turn pays for advice from a tax expert.Nope, for big business that's normal.
This is like the CFO paying for someone else to to do their own role because their performance isn't adequate. Basically paying twice for the same thing and eventually they will be found out and removed.
Public Servants and bad business are excellent at paying twice
They have explained what Cron and Stawbridge are doing and it isn't doing someone else's job. So no, not twice for the same thing.
To me it's bad business if you cant recognise when someone else can improve an aspect to your benefit. Squeezing the little bit extra out.
So in the CFO example you have someone come to you as a specialist expert in tax and you assess that their expertise added in could net some savings. It is expertise gained by concentrating on being a specialist only and they are in demand and want to stay as a specialist. Their skills are over and above what meets the definition of adequate performance. -
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Pub leaner like thinking going on here. I'm out.
Don't leave. How else are we to bathe in your exalted knowledge of high performing teams?
People here are so keen to stick the boot into Foster and Co that they are coming up with rubbish. So you want a Head Coach that knows everything and has no need for assistants? And those assistants must, in turn, have the best knowledge about everything in their sphere?
People are criticizing Foster a lot because he's clearly a poor AB head coach - not about having a rocket scientist to run the show... all we want is a head coach & coaching staff that can coach with good common sense, so you then know they'll apply a good game plan, tactics, selections etc.
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@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Pub leaner like thinking going on here. I'm out.
Don't leave. How else are we to bathe in your exalted knowledge of high performing teams?
People here are so keen to stick the boot into Foster and Co that they are coming up with rubbish. So you want a Head Coach that knows everything and has no need for assistants? And those assistants must, in turn, have the best knowledge about everything in their sphere?
People are criticizing Foster a lot because he's clearly a poor AB head coach - not about having a rocket scientist to run the show... all we want is a head coach & coaching staff that can coach with good common sense, so you then know they'll apply a good game plan, tactics, selections etc.
Thats not the point I was making at all.
Criticize them by all means but reasons have to be supported and not just rubbish like 'common sense'.
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Pub leaner like thinking going on here. I'm out.
Don't leave. How else are we to bathe in your exalted knowledge of high performing teams?
People here are so keen to stick the boot into Foster and Co that they are coming up with rubbish. So you want a Head Coach that knows everything and has no need for assistants? And those assistants must, in turn, have the best knowledge about everything in their sphere?
People are criticizing Foster a lot because he's clearly a poor AB head coach - not about having a rocket scientist to run the show... all we want is a head coach & coaching staff that can coach with good common sense, so you then know they'll apply a good game plan, tactics, selections etc.
Thats not the point I was making at all.
Criticize them by all means but reasons have to be supported and not just rubbish like 'common sense'.
That's the point mate, he doesn't coach with common sense... you only have to watch the way we play, not difficult to work out.
As we all know getting on top in the forwards is vital in the game - we're getting beaten by the top teams more regularly because they're executing the basics much better than us at the breakdown, obviously the most contested area of the game, yet Foster has done stuff all to address it... also it's a dumb tactic of his to consistently use box kicks to try & break down these flat & rushing defences.
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@tim player management? WTF does that mean? Another excuse and I know you are not his advocate. The problem is the coach. Always has been. He is not there by consensus of the fern and probably NZ. He is inadequate. He was at the Chiefs. Nothing has changed. It’s like putting a smiley face on a turd. It’s still a turd.
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I'm guessing that the starting tight five for this year is firming up. I can see it being the following:
1 Moody
2 Taukei'aho
3 Tu'ungafasi
4 Barrett
5 Retallick (still there on reputation)Really hoping that one lock will emerge from the pack to replace Retallick, who is purely in the squad on reputation. Not convinced by Vaa'i. Lord looks to have the goods, but is probably a year away. Plenty of time for more dynamic loose heads like Hodgman, de Groot, and Norris would be great. I'm assuming that Coles won't make it to 2023. Aumua is on the fringe, and hasn't kicked on. Lomax is middling, and Laulala needs to improve his impact. Tight head is pretty bare. Would be worth giving Newell a couple of games.
Reserves might be something like:
Taylor
Hodgman
Laulala
Vaa'i (Whitelock to rotate with Retallick in the starting role)
