All Blacks 2022
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones you should really stop trying to be a funny guy and actually watch Rugby once in awhile.
Did you get struck by lightning posting this?
Akira Ioane is overrated
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones you should really stop trying to be a funny guy and actually watch Rugby once in awhile.
Did you get struck by lightning posting this?
Akira Ioane is overrated
Someone who doesn't watch much rugby would think that.
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively
Well, Australia didn't seem to buy into that theory. Be interesting to see how Jordie goes when he's actually the focus of the opposition defence.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones you should really stop trying to be a funny guy and actually watch Rugby once in awhile.
Did you get struck by lightning posting this?
Akira Ioane is overrated
Someone who doesn't watch much rugby would think that.
Akira who?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively
Well, Australia didn't seem to buy into that theory. Be interesting to see how Jordie goes when he's actually the focus of the opposition defence.
Presumably that opens up opportunities for others - especially with Jordie's offloading and passing ability.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively
Well, Australia didn't seem to buy into that theory. Be interesting to see how Jordie goes when he's actually the focus of the opposition defence.
Presumably that opens up opportunities for others - especially with Jordie's offloading and passing ability.
Only if the opposition allow him to off-load and pass as easily as the Oz defence did.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively
Well, Australia didn't seem to buy into that theory. Be interesting to see how Jordie goes when he's actually the focus of the opposition defence.
Presumably that opens up opportunities for others - especially with Jordie's offloading and passing ability.
Only if the opposition allow him to off-load and pass as easily as the Oz defence did.
Then you also have other opportunities around using Jordie as decoy etc.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively
Well, Australia didn't seem to buy into that theory. Be interesting to see how Jordie goes when he's actually the focus of the opposition defence.
Presumably that opens up opportunities for others - especially with Jordie's offloading and passing ability.
Only if the opposition allow him to off-load and pass as easily as the Oz defence did.
Then you also have other opportunities around using Jordie as decoy etc.
As you would with any other player. I hope he gets another run at 12 and he's a success but I recall the same things being said about SBW when he came on the scene. He was outstanding against England but was torn a new one by Wales in his next Test and was subbed at halftime. Not quite Henry Paul - bad, mind, but not good either.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
What's exciting about Barrett at 12 is that we might finally have a threat there so that opposition are actually focusing on that channel defensively
Well, Australia didn't seem to buy into that theory. Be interesting to see how Jordie goes when he's actually the focus of the opposition defence.
Presumably that opens up opportunities for others - especially with Jordie's offloading and passing ability.
Only if the opposition allow him to off-load and pass as easily as the Oz defence did.
Then you also have other opportunities around using Jordie as decoy etc.
As you would with any other player. I hope he gets another run at 12 and he's a success but I recall the same things being said about SBW when he came on the scene. He was outstanding against England but was torn a new one by Wales in his next Test and was subbed at halftime. Not quite Henry Paul - bad, mind, but not good either.
Not exactly - the idea is if the opposition defence is keyed in on a player (moreso than any other player) that then opens up more opportunities for others.
As for SBW I don't see the comparison - I recall being slightly disappointed with his test debut vs England given how much hype SBW came in with as he had been carving up the NPC for Canterbury - there was the odd glimpse in that game but was nowhere near the performance of Jordie - with SBW it was more of a realisation of 'test rugby is a different ball game to NPC for Canterbury so it's going to take some time'.
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that try scoring list shows how brutal the ABs have been with wingers. Some all-time greats who in many other nations would have continued to get picked until they retired were cut with probably a bit left in the tank
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
that try scoring list shows how brutal the ABs have been with wingers. Some all-time greats who in many other nations would have continued to get picked until they retired were cut with probably a bit left in the tank
Indeed. Bryan Habana and Shane Williams both played for about a thousand years each
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
We also have the weird situation of two players just starring on the wing for a RWC and then basically disappearing. Three if you count Graig Green.
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NMS and ?
Kahui.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
that try scoring list shows how brutal the ABs have been with wingers. Some all-time greats who in many other nations would have continued to get picked until they retired were cut with probably a bit left in the tank
Indeed. Our wingers seem to peak in their early 20's and then are gone by 26/27. I think it's because we produce so many talented wingers. I mean - Savea, Rokococko, Sivivatu, Howlett all played their last tests before hitting 30.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Not exactly - the idea is if the opposition defence is keyed in on a player (moreso than any other player) that then opens up more opportunities for others.
Only if the opposition defence is keyed up on that player more than any other player - and we don't yet know that's going to be the case until 2-3 more games. I hope it is, but honestly, at this stage, I'd happily just settle for a 12 who's consistently OK and doesn't get injured.
As for SBW I don't see the comparison - I recall being slightly disappointed with his test debut vs England given how much hype SBW came in with as he had been carving up the NPC for Canterbury - there was the odd glimpse in that game but was nowhere near the performance of Jordie - with SBW it was more of a realisation of 'test rugby is a different ball game to NPC for Canterbury so it's going to take some time'.
I do. SBW had played 2-3 seasons for Toulon at 12 & 13 under Tana; tutelage so was pretty used to the game by the time he made his debut at 12. But you're right that he was only OK to good against England - I meant to say Scotland where he got rave reviews. But the point, that he was exposed in his next Test, still stands.
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@Victor-Meldrew that's not unlike the Saffas always crowing about Jonah having never scored against them, ignoring the fact it allowed 2 other guys that didn't really need the extra space, extra space and scored a fuckton of tries.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew that's not unlike the Saffas always crowing about Jonah having never scored against them, ignoring the fact it allowed 2 other guys that didn't really need the extra space, extra space and scored a fuckton of tries.
I just think we see to see Jordie up against decent opposition teams who've analysed his play at 12 before we start calling him the new Nonu or Lomu creating acres of space outside him.
