All Blacks 2022
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
In a few years time, when we are talking about Rieko as one of our best 13s, I’m planning on re-visiting this conversation.
I can understand the misgivings until this last year, when he has been the best 13 in NZ by a fucking mile.
That’s roughly 1.6 km for those who prefer their distances in metric.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim and of those 3, Frizell is probably the least versatile, Jacobson the most versatile...so I think he's the other loosie.
I would think Jacobson is close to a certainty, I also believe that 7 loosies will get picked.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
In a few years time, when we are talking about Rieko as one of our best 13s, I’m planning on re-visiting this conversation.
I can understand the misgivings until this last year, when he has been the best 13 in NZ by a fucking mile.
That’s roughly 1.6 km for those who prefer their distances in metric.
Yep but I not sure how to convert a country mile, and I think Reiko is best be a country mile!!
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim and of those 3, Frizell is probably the least versatile, Jacobson the most versatile...so I think he's the other loosie.
I would think Jacobson is close to a certainty, I also believe that 7 loosies will get picked.
Could even be 8 if they want to bring another option into the fold. More likely 7 with someone like Finau or MMT training with the squad (assuming neither eligible for NZM)
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Last year they selected 5 locks and 7 loose forwards but might only decide on 4 locks, and as @Crucial says, have extra cover at loose forward. Lord will be the 5th lock if they go that way, but could also miss out.
Will Vaa'i be considered an option at 6 in the squad? If so, that might change the makeup of the loose forward mix and make Frizell surplus to requirements.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Last year they selected 5 locks and 7 loose forwards but might only decide on 4 locks, and as @Crucial says, have extra cover at loose forward. Lord will be the 5th lock if they go that way, but could also miss out.
Will Vaa'i be considered an option at 6 in the squad? If so, that might change the makeup of the loose forward mix and make Frizell surplus to requirements.
This is what I had a couple of days ago.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Loose forwards: Sam Cane (c), Ardie Savea, Dalton Papalii, Akira Ioane, Luke Jacobson, Hoskins Sotutu, (MMT/Finau/Grace/Frizzell)
I think that NZM may be a vehicle for some 'fringe' or 'surplus' squad members. eg My 5 locks included Lord but if he is NZM eligible it could be better from him to return to play via that path knowing he can switch back at a moments notice.
That would open up space for 2 of those bracketed loosies -
Papalii going the extra mile for selection this year
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/300610012/dalton-papalii-avoids-extremely-excessive-speeding-charge-on-technicality -
Missed a lot of super rugby this year compared to the past .
Really enjoyed this thread to get me up to speed before the internationals start .
Lots of discussion around the backs and loosies which should be an area of strength given our depth .
How we looking in the tight 5 , that is still our area of concern yeah ?
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
Missed a lot of super rugby this year compared to the past .
Really enjoyed this thread to get me up to speed before the internationals start .
Lots of discussion around the backs and loosies which should be an area of strength given our depth .
How we looking in the tight 5 , that is still our area of concern yeah ?
Yup indeed
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
Missed a lot of super rugby this year compared to the past .
Really enjoyed this thread to get me up to speed before the internationals start .
Lots of discussion around the backs and loosies which should be an area of strength given our depth .
How we looking in the tight 5 , that is still our area of concern yeah ?
Mainly props are the biggest concern, don't think we bad off with locks, or even hookers.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
Missed a lot of super rugby this year compared to the past .
Really enjoyed this thread to get me up to speed before the internationals start .
Lots of discussion around the backs and loosies which should be an area of strength given our depth .
How we looking in the tight 5 , that is still our area of concern yeah ?
Mainly props are the biggest concern, don't think we bad off with locks, or even hookers.
The locking problem is two aging greats, a good handful of inexperienced youngsters, and the often excellent Barrett who can't stop being a moron for cards.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
Missed a lot of super rugby this year compared to the past .
Really enjoyed this thread to get me up to speed before the internationals start .
Lots of discussion around the backs and loosies which should be an area of strength given our depth .
How we looking in the tight 5 , that is still our area of concern yeah ?
Mainly props are the biggest concern, don't think we bad off with locks, or even hookers.
lock and hooker is based on hope
hope Taylor, Whitelock and Retallick aren't cooked, were just tired last year
Hope Barrett has another gear we haven't seen yet, and can stay on the field
Hope the young locks can step up (and they get meaningful game time) -
@Machpants I think if we get our props doing a bit more of the grunt work (which a few of those in super rugby are showing signs of) it will allow Whitelock and BR a bit more freedom, and maybe have some energy left to get around the park, and SB to make better decisions from his oxygen starved brain.
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@taniwharugby last year Moody was below his best, Laulala is more liability than anything else, Karl T has fallen off a cliff form wise, Ofa also had issues staying on the park, and we have a crop of “who’s next”
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
Missed a lot of super rugby this year compared to the past .
Really enjoyed this thread to get me up to speed before the internationals start .
Lots of discussion around the backs and loosies which should be an area of strength given our depth .
How we looking in the tight 5 , that is still our area of concern yeah ?
That’s because backs win rugby matches (and get the hot women). And loosies just wish they were backs.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
And loosies just wish they were backs
it's true, we all want to play midfield
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@ACT-Crusader which is probably where the biggest drop off has come for AB rugby the past few years with little to no impact from our props around the park, even our hookers (exc ST) have had thier time where they have been well of thier game too.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader which is probably where the biggest drop off has come for AB rugby the past few years with little to no impact from our props around the park, even our hookers (exc ST) have had thier time where they have been well of thier game too.
I actually don't think Coles has been off his game, he's just been out of the game too often.
