All Blacks 2022
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@mariner4life From NZ, actually, but yeah, he may be good in/for Japan, but whether he's good enough for NZ is an entirely different question.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
We're saved!!! A tight 5 player from Japan might play for us in 4 years.
Fucking awesome.
I’m sure he didn’t mean it to sound that way, but I thought it was pretty rich for a kid who gets into the Japan side by being tall, essentially saying ‘yeah, I could turn out for the ABs’.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
Ioane is now one of the top players in two positions at Test level, delivered - objectively - on the field.
If he has a top season at test level at centre this year then yeah, top player in two positions. Last year he was very good, but still looked like a winger doing a good job at centre. This year to me, at Super level, he is looking more and more like a centre. Hoping he can show it at Test level too.
At test level he'll need a decent 12 next to him - solid playmaking and kicking with the ability to bend the line and give Ioane some space to use his pace to try and get outside of his defender. A blend of Havili/Tupaea.
An example of why us old buggers from different eras of play really have no idea.
These days players align everywhere and anywhere. RI appears on the wing as much as centre and the 12 is often the 13 with fullback or wing between them and the 10.
We need to stop picturing players in traditional first phase spots.We’ve been using one of our outside backs (mainly the fullback) as a second playmaker both at Super and AB level for quite a few years.
For example Sivivatu and Rangi back in the day now Jordie and Jordan.
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@nzzp I reckon Mark Telea will at least be in the conversation for a wing spot - especially if they decide that their fullbacks are 1 Jordie and 2 Jordan.
Reece looks a certainty - but, they could pick two more wings, with Clarke next in my mind, and then Big Leicester and Telea looking the best of the rest.
Though they could play Jordie at 2nd five. Convert Dave Havili back to fullback and pick Jordan, Havili, Reece, Telea, Big Leicester and Tavatavanawai.
Pity James Lowe will be playing for Ireland or we could pick him as well!
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@Chris-B said in Blues v Reds:
@nzzp I reckon Mark Telea will at least be in the conversation for a wing spot - especially if they decide that their fullbacks are 1 Jordie and 2 Jordan.
Reece looks a certainty - but, they could pick two more wings, with Clarke next in my mind, and then Big Leicester and Telea looking the best of the rest.
Though they could play Jordie at 2nd five. Convert Dave Havili back to fullback and pick Jordan, Havili, Reece, Telea, Big Leicester and Tavatavanawai.
Pity James Lowe will be playing for Ireland or we could pick him as well!
Telea is definitely playing better now that he's moved away from Ta$man.
He's primarily a right wing option and I think that is well covered by Jordan and Reece. He seems to have two really good games followed by a game with really amateur mistakes.
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I think they'll likely start with 11 Reece, 14 Jordan, 15 Jordie.
Which could leave the cover options as 11 Clarke/Faingaanuku; 15 Jordan; 14. Reece/Telea. So I don't think he's disqualified if they pick 4 wings.
Beauden and Havili potentially offer fullback cover - but, Perofeta will surely be a part of the conversation if they want Jordan to stay on the right wing.
Wondering who else could be part of the conversation. Bridge - as in, "I presume we're all agreed that George is done". Shaun Stevenson? I wish someone could light a fire under Rayasi - he's got the size and speed to be an elite weapon, but just doesn't get involved enough.
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@taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:
Joe Schmidt's intensity a key influence at Blues, says Christie
The former Ireland head coach has added international experience and a demanding attitude to Super Rugby Pacific's high-fliers.
Can someone explain to me how we got to the point where we have a bunch of Super Rugby-ceiling journeymen head coaches forming our national panel in Foster, McLeod, Plumtree, Mooar... yet somehow.. at present, we currently have 3-4 international quality coaches all hoarded at one franchise (McDonald, Schmidt (4x Six Nations winning coach), Afeaki (2x SR winning set-piece coach @ Chiefs), Coventry (2x SR winning coach @ Chiefs). We are truly living in the strangest of timelines.
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@kiwi_expat Afeaki played in those Chiefs sides. Was he coaching as well?
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@African-Monkey haha, for some reason I got Carl Hoeft mixed up with Afeaki, correction - Ben Afeaki is a 2x SR winner as a player with the Chiefs..
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I'd that Craig McGrath is a very highly regarded defense coach, Daniel Halangahu is their individual specialized skills/backs coach.
It seems almost unfair.
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@kiwi_expat said in Blues 2022:
I'd that Craig McGrath is an excellent defense coach, Daniel Halangahu is their individual specialized skills/backs coach.
the answer to your specific question is coaches want to work there because it's a healthy environment with a structure that supports success.
Same way the Crusaders stockpiled talent for years - success breeds success. It feels good to have some envy; for years we were a dumpster fire, and frankly 12 good months don't make up for a decade of underachievement.
something something joke about salty tears of impotent rage
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@nzzp I don't really begrudge the Blues organization, my frustration is more relating to how All Blacks are supposed to be the pinnacle, after all they are considered our 'flagship team'...
To me Foster, McLeod, Plumtree, Mooar is a reasonably acceptable coaching team for a Super Rugby team.
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@kiwi_expat said in Blues 2022:
@nzzp I don't really begrudge the Blues organization, my frustration is more relating to how All Blacks are supposed to be the pinnacle.
To me Foster, McLeod, Plumtree, Mooar is a reasonably acceptable coaching team for a Super Rugby team.
only if you never watched their Super Rugby teams
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@nzzp said in Blues 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in Blues 2022:
I'd that Craig McGrath is an excellent defense coach, Daniel Halangahu is their individual specialized skills/backs coach.
the answer to your specific question is coaches want to work there because it's a healthy environment with a structure that supports success.
Same way the Crusaders stockpiled talent for years - success breeds success. It feels good to have some envy; for years we were a dumpster fire, and frankly 12 good months don't make up for a decade of underachievement.
something something joke about salty tears of impotent rage
the Blues are the only team worth tuning in to watch at the moment. They have box office players, and i love the brand they play. If i only have time for one game a weekend (so, every weekend) generally I'll make it the Blues game.
Have fun while it lasts Blues fans.
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@kiwi_expat TBF, when the AB appointments were made, none of those were really on the radar, it was a 2 horse race between Foster and Razor, and the former had a huge headstart.
I think NZR placed too much emphasis on continuation following 2011/2015 sucesses, meaning it didnt seem they went through the process properly post 2019 RWC.
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@mariner4life Mooar wasn't a good coach, both Mansbridge & Razor couldn't wait to get rid of him as he wasn't supported or rated by the players or fellow coaches, it's well documented that he was considered a liability.
As for McLeod, he was the weakest link (by far) in an international worthy coaching group that included Jamie Joseph, Tony Brown, Clarke Dermody - and the very highly regarded John Preston.
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@kiwi_expat yeah no shit, you are making my point back at me
again
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@Frank I'd quite like that as well.
Jordie providing more size in the midfield (than last year). Clarke a power wing.
Rieko, Jordan and Beaudy with a ton of pace.
If it all came together it would cover most bases - though that "ïf" contains a fair bit of wishful thinking!
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@Chris-B said in Blues v Reds:
@Frank I'd quite like that as well.
Jordie providing more size in the midfield (than last year). Clarke a power wing.
Rieko, Jordan and Beaudy with a ton of pace.
If it all came together it would cover most bases - though that "ïf" contains a fair bit of wishful thinking!
it would at least be fun to watch come together
but, knowing NZ rugby's absolute hard on for rotation and "building depth" it would be given one test and then there would be two changes, no matter what the performance looked like.
(i blame 2011 and the need for 8 first fives for this fucking obsession with having every player in the country getting a run to build experience)
