AFL 2022
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@antipodean said in AFL 2022:
Meanwhile on the eve of the final, allegations that Clarkson and Fagan, while at Hawthorn 'separated First Nations players from families and demanded a pregnancy termination'.
Family separations and pregnancy termination: Hawthorn racism review reveals shock allegations against former coaches
Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan are named in a Hawthorn review into how First Nations players were treated during Clarkson's time at the helm of the Hawks. Warning — this story contains details of self-harm, pregnancy loss, and intergenerational trauma for Indigenous people.
Wow! Irrespective of being First Nation those allegations are way beyond acceptable behavior from people in power. That is evil stuff and they should at very least be banned from the game IMO.
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I'm mindful of two things:
- They're allegations at this point so due process should be followed (no that such a thing exists on the internet), and
- I've been in positions where young men have come forward and we've implemented welfaring provisions based on the issues they've detailed to us. Not infrequently have we become aware of a vast discrepancy between the story we've been told and what they've told others.
So actions taken with the best of intentions can look awfully harsh when viewed from another position. Hopefully that's the case here and as a result the procedure for dealing with it is well documented, standardised across clubs, and agreed to be the AFL and the Players Association.
If however the allegations are found to be correct, then these coaches should be rubbed from the game.
Fagan's been at the Lions for sufficient time that such behaviour must surely have manifested itself again?
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@antipodean said in AFL 2022:
Fagan's been at the Lions for sufficient time that such behaviour must surely have manifested itself again?
the reports out of the Club about Fagan's relationship with the indigenous players, and the steps to build the indigenous culture in the club is totally at odds with this. But, if this is as reported, and he's involved, should still go.
I too am waiting. Context will absolutely matter, because the framing of the conversation could have been very different, but something got lost.
It fucking doesn't read well, and any rebuttal from the Club will have to be very fucking careful.
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however, not making light of the situation, god bless the internet
i just saw someone make this post on another forum
"Everyone to North supporters"
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Hawthorn Club Statement
"Earlier this year the Hawthorn Football Club engaged external First Nations consultants to liaise with current and former First Nations players and staff to learn more about their experience at the club.
"This important work has raised disturbing historical allegations that require further investigation. Upon learning of these allegations, the club immediately engaged AFL Integrity as is appropriate.
"The club will continue to provide support to those who have participated in this process, and their wellbeing remains our priority.
"While the process indicated the current environment at the club is culturally safe, it also recommended that some of the club’s current First Nations training and development programs should continue to be strengthened.
"The club places the best interests and welfare of our players and staff as our number one priority.
"Given the matters raised are confidential, the club will not provide any further comment at this time."
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@mariner4life said in AFL 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in AFL 2022:
Check this, Carlton got the Brownlow and Coleman medalists but didn’t make the finals - haha sucked in Blues (pretenders
and 5 all-australians
#vicbias
*three. But whatever.
Carlton suffer because their worst eight players are horrible. Their best 8-10 are as good as any side in the league.
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Lions club statement says Fagan taking a leave of absence to cooperate with the AFL Integrity Unit. Says he wasn't consulted as part of the review.
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Anyway.. got the tele on AFL 360 and I do like the hype and the celebration ... but you get a chance every year.
Think I'm being a bit churlish but ...
It's not the Olympics, or FIFA WC, or RWC where you get one shot every four years.
Great achievement, and it's cool every year.
But the Aussie Roolz states do hype it up I reckon
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Geelong with a dominant first half. Inside 50s, ruck taps, contested possessions and getting run off halfback is where they are killing them.
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@ACT-Crusader not feeling so bad about what happened to the lions last weekend
Geelong are playing fucking great
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Sydney getting reamed.
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Swans players look dejected
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Incredible performance by Geelong. 16 in a row is very hard to argue with
Huge credit to their coaching staff who revamped how the played. It blows my mind how long tenured AFL coaches can suddenly change their philosophy.
I actually thought Joel selwood should have won the norm Smith. A warrior I admire in the Hodge mold
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turns out my dislike of Geelong is basically just the fact i can't stand Dangerfield and Cameron
Joel Selwood appears to be an absolutely first class human being.
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Geelong been knocking on the door for quite some time but couldn’t quite go the extra step when it came to finals .
I thought that was the destiny of this group tbh , but perseverance pays off in the end . This years side had a more ruthless look to it .
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@mariner4life had the chance to meet Hawkins and Selwood and both are good fellas.
I hated how Selwood played and the constant ducking and feigning for free kicks. He used to be a massive whinger too. Plus the whole Geelong v Saints rivalry from 10 years ago and the Chris Scott v Ross Lyon thing.
