NRL 2022

[ACT Crusader]

@dice said in NRL 2022:

It seems it's legal to hit our boys high.

Exciting finish to the game though.

Great to see us fight out a win after the Cowboys got away with a lot.

Some of our variation in attack was very good. SJ seems to be playing with confidence and without the huge pressure he had last time he wore a Warriors jersey.

Also good to get the win after those commentators were fluffing the Cowboys!

[bayimports]

@act-crusader hard to believe we were actually in that contest for so long let alone win. The cowboys were by far the most dominant and should have won by a good margin as they continuously rolled us through the middle. The amount of repeat sets we cough up at the fourth or fifth tackle unfortunately probably leads the comp. However our scramble and goal line defence was some of the best i have seen from us.

Im normally bagging CHT for wayward kicks or awful attacking plays, but his touches tonight were great, massive 40/20 included and his defence saved us on a few occasions.

Th cows goal line defence was probably the worst we have come up against and let us in nearly every raid we had and given we only had a couple, magnified how bad they were in that area.

Good to win games you shouldn't, that's a good habit. Happy for the team, they will take a lot from that. Given their next two games are on the road against the Storm and the Roosters they will need all the luck they can get just to hang in there.

anyway good win

[Dice]

Harry Grant is so fun to watch.

[Mackerzzzz]

That storm side is so good

[mariner4life]

i think the comp is starting to take shape

Penrith have barely skipped a beat and are absolutely flying
Cronulla are far better than anyone expected
Melbourne are Melbourne
Parra have shrugged off any thoughts of internal dispute and seem to be tracking well.
The Roosters look clunky in attack, but have some many quality players they will win far more than they lose.

And right now they are the top of the pile. Manly seem to be coming right now as well.
After that are question marks. The Warriors are getting wins i wouldn't expect and they are, at least for now, a top 8 hope. The Cowboys are the same, but i reckon their roster still sucks, and they need to send Granville to the Q-Cup
Souths are missing Reynolds in a big way, and Gagai, but will make the 8.
I think there is 1 spot available in the 8 at the end of the year, and probably 4-5 teams who have a shot.

Someone needs to burn the Tigers to the ground. the whole club seems rotten. The recruitment, the culture, it's all broken.

[bayimports]

@mariner4life All sounds about right, I will still wait for Parra for their usual fall away near the end, but agree with what you have.

I dont know how Payten lets Granville play more than Cotter, Cotter is a machine. I dont think the squad looks that bad though, just dont think Payten has his rotations right at all, although good to see lolo finally getting better minutes.

Maumalo as co captain summed up the Tigers for me, largely went missing in effort, made many mistakes and only attcking stat comes from an intercept. One of many who just mentally look like they have checked out. Madge might be trying hard but he is having zero impact at the moment, hard to believe this is the same team that pushed Melbourne in the first half of the first game of the season. For me he needs to fall on his sword, but I feel for him as his players are not putting in and some bright young stars are going elsewhere next season, so agree entirely recruitment, culture is broken. Sad for them though

Panthers lower grades absolutely full of talent, just look at their backs, apart from Staines who has speed only. Taylan May comes from no where and is an absolute mini beast like Too, would be welcome in every team in the comp.

[mariner4life]

I think the Tigers are the most glaring symptom of a broken system. A team loaded with low end talent on big money. Any young talent that emerges leaves.

And where do they go? To a handful of teams dominating the top of the comp

The NRL has long regarded itself as an even comp. It absolutely is nothing of the sort.

If you take the last 10 years, the figures are stark

The Top 4
Storm 9 times, Roosters 7 times, Rabbits 6 times, Manly 4 times
Tigers, Titans, Knights, Dragons and Warriors have not made the Top 4

The Top 8
Storm 10 times, Roosters/Rabbits/Cronulla 8 times, Broncos 7 times, Manly/Penrith/Cowboys 6 times.
The Tigers are the only club to not play finals once in the last 10 years, Titans and Dragons Twice, Warriors just the once.

The Bottom 4
Tigers and Titans 5 times. Warriors Eels and Cowboys 4 times.
Storm obviously not at all, same with Souths. Penrith and Cronulla just the once.
For more than a 3rd of the comp, your team is more likely to finish bottom 4 than play a final

Yes defenders will point to six different premiers in 10 years. But 7 of those 10 years were won by those teams dominating the Top 4. And another by Cronulla, a perpetual finals team. Most teams are entering a season knowing they are basically no hope of winning the thing, and damningly, they are the same teams year after year.

[bayimports]

I think those stats are quite damning, although I would like to see how many teams where in the running to make the top 8 with a couple of rounds to play each year. I would suggest thats where the comp is quite flat, well at least between 6-12 on the ladder. However it is the same teams that end up missing out which is interesting.

The system is yet to work out how to stop the bottom four from having to paying overs for average people.

The dolphins will only dilute the player pool further, the question for me is, will this dilute the big four? or will it just make it harder for the tradtional bottom of the ladder clubs? I have a suspect it makes it harder for the bottom four which will see a greater divide.

[Paekakboyz]

@bayimports yeah it never seems like the dilution works. The 'cap' only goes so far to hit market forces and all that jazz. The new or low performing teams need a lot of luck on their side to see top value from their big purchases. Is that player or small group of players enough to lift the rest or not. So often you see flashes but think what a waste that talent in amongst the dross. Stink as!

Unless you really mess with rosters regularly, and trample over the club as a business model, you are always going to get a range. Reducing that range between top and bottom is hard - and if you end up with a whole bunch of average teams (even short term) that's worse than the current situation.

[mariner4life]

How the NRL (and other sports media) in Australia works

Find rumour x player is possibly signing somewhere else next year. Print story after story about said possible move. As soon as players team loses, print story about how contract situation is providing distraction. Print more stories about transfer. Print more stories about how the distraction is affecting the team. Print stories about how contract system needs to change as it is not fair to clubs and fans to constantly hear speculation. Repeat repeat repeat.

Alternatively. Find battling club. Print a thousand stories about said club. Write stories about the stories. Sit on panel shows, talk about stories. Write story the next day about increased pressure which is nothing more than the same story now being told 3 times. Write stories about how doing nothing is the problem. When changes are made, write stories about how changes show coach is desperate. Repeat until coach fired. Start again.

There are about half a dozen NRL writers. They are all write in papers and appear on the same shows and talk the same shit and then use that as the basis for the next days bullshit. Over and over again.

[mariner4life]

@paekakboyz said in NRL 2022:

@bayimports yeah it never seems like the dilution works. The 'cap' only goes so far to hit market forces and all that jazz. The new or low performing teams need a lot of luck on their side to see top value from their big purchases. Is that player or small group of players enough to lift the rest or not. So often you see flashes but think what a waste that talent in amongst the dross. Stink as!

Unless you really mess with rosters regularly, and trample over the club as a business model, you are always going to get a range. Reducing that range between top and bottom is hard - and if you end up with a whole bunch of average teams (even short term) that's worse than the current situation.

some of the clubs do not help themselves though. Band aid solutions are applied in an attempt to slightly improve rather than real revolution. The same crop of coaches are hired and fired. Any new job just goes to a guy who already failed simply on "experience". You wait until Maguire gets fired and who they line up to replace him.

And it's the same for recruitment. There is a revolving crop of not really good enough players who keep getting hired and clogging lists it appears for no other reason than they have played NRL before.

None of the shit clubs ever attempt to try anything different. Find a new coach from the NSW/Q Cup. Find young players and give them a shot. It's journeymen, has beens, or never will bes on a revolving basis.

[canefan]

@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:

@paekakboyz said in NRL 2022:

@bayimports yeah it never seems like the dilution works. The 'cap' only goes so far to hit market forces and all that jazz. The new or low performing teams need a lot of luck on their side to see top value from their big purchases. Is that player or small group of players enough to lift the rest or not. So often you see flashes but think what a waste that talent in amongst the dross. Stink as!

Unless you really mess with rosters regularly, and trample over the club as a business model, you are always going to get a range. Reducing that range between top and bottom is hard - and if you end up with a whole bunch of average teams (even short term) that's worse than the current situation.

some of the clubs do not help themselves though. Band aid solutions are applied in an attempt to slightly improve rather than real revolution. The same crop of coaches are hired and fired. Any new job just goes to a guy who already failed simply on "experience". You wait until Maguire gets fired and who they line up to replace him.

And it's the same for recruitment. There is a revolving crop of not really good enough players who keep getting hired and clogging lists it appears for no other reason than they have played NRL before.

None of the shit clubs ever attempt to try anything different. Find a new coach from the NSW/Q Cup. Find young players and give them a shot. It's journeymen, has beens, or never will bes on a revolving basis.

So far no one has wanted to take a chance on the Walker brothers for example. They were very keen to come to the Warriors, but the club chose Brown

[bayimports]

@canefan said in NRL 2022:

@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:

@paekakboyz said in NRL 2022:

@bayimports yeah it never seems like the dilution works. The 'cap' only goes so far to hit market forces and all that jazz. The new or low performing teams need a lot of luck on their side to see top value from their big purchases. Is that player or small group of players enough to lift the rest or not. So often you see flashes but think what a waste that talent in amongst the dross. Stink as!

Unless you really mess with rosters regularly, and trample over the club as a business model, you are always going to get a range. Reducing that range between top and bottom is hard - and if you end up with a whole bunch of average teams (even short term) that's worse than the current situation.

some of the clubs do not help themselves though. Band aid solutions are applied in an attempt to slightly improve rather than real revolution. The same crop of coaches are hired and fired. Any new job just goes to a guy who already failed simply on "experience". You wait until Maguire gets fired and who they line up to replace him.

And it's the same for recruitment. There is a revolving crop of not really good enough players who keep getting hired and clogging lists it appears for no other reason than they have played NRL before.

None of the shit clubs ever attempt to try anything different. Find a new coach from the NSW/Q Cup. Find young players and give them a shot. It's journeymen, has beens, or never will bes on a revolving basis.

So far no one has wanted to take a chance on the Walker brothers for example. They were very keen to come to the Warriors, but the club chose Brown

absolutely, that was the closest I had seen to trying something completely new..but didnt get across the line obviously

[mariner4life]

@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:

How the NRL (and other sports media) in Australia works

Find rumour x player is possibly signing somewhere else next year. Print story after story about said possible move. As soon as players team loses, print story about how contract situation is providing distraction. Print more stories about transfer. Print more stories about how the distraction is affecting the team. Print stories about how contract system needs to change as it is not fair to clubs and fans to constantly hear speculation. Repeat repeat repeat.

Alternatively. Find battling club. Print a thousand stories about said club. Write stories about the stories. Sit on panel shows, talk about stories. Write story the next day about increased pressure which is nothing more than the same story now being told 3 times. Write stories about how doing nothing is the problem. When changes are made, write stories about how changes show coach is desperate. Repeat until coach fired. Start again.

There are about half a dozen NRL writers. They are all write in papers and appear on the same shows and talk the same shit and then use that as the basis for the next days bullshit. Over and over again.

and, to follow the point (why the fuck do i do this to myself)

The biggest dumb fluffybunny in the small pool of NRL reporting dumb fluffybunnies James Hooper has today written his 25th Wests Tigers article of the week
Today's topic? The CEO taking a week's AL
The football team is losing, why is the CEO going on holiday? That's what the offseason is for?

James, you stupid bald fluffybunny, guess when the CEO is actually busy? Go on, guess! is it during the season, when the spotlight is on the football department. Or, and stay with me now, is it over the offseason, getting everything put in place for the Football team and the club to operate during the season?
Is the CEO being there over Easter going to help the footy team win on Monday? No, it most surely is not (and if it is, then there are bigger problems at Leichhardt than i thought)

Now, you'll notice i haven't said the CEO has done a good job, because i think it's fair to say he hasn't. But, him taking his family on a holiday they have had to cancel 3 times over Easter is not the story you seem to hope it is.

[bayimports]

@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:

@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:

How the NRL (and other sports media) in Australia works

Find rumour x player is possibly signing somewhere else next year. Print story after story about said possible move. As soon as players team loses, print story about how contract situation is providing distraction. Print more stories about transfer. Print more stories about how the distraction is affecting the team. Print stories about how contract system needs to change as it is not fair to clubs and fans to constantly hear speculation. Repeat repeat repeat.

Alternatively. Find battling club. Print a thousand stories about said club. Write stories about the stories. Sit on panel shows, talk about stories. Write story the next day about increased pressure which is nothing more than the same story now being told 3 times. Write stories about how doing nothing is the problem. When changes are made, write stories about how changes show coach is desperate. Repeat until coach fired. Start again.

There are about half a dozen NRL writers. They are all write in papers and appear on the same shows and talk the same shit and then use that as the basis for the next days bullshit. Over and over again.

and, to follow the point (why the fuck do i do this to myself)

The biggest dumb fluffybunny in the small pool of NRL reporting dumb fluffybunnies James Hooper has today written his 25th Wests Tigers article of the week
Today's topic? The CEO taking a week's AL
The football team is losing, why is the CEO going on holiday? That's what the offseason is for?

James, you stupid bald fluffybunny, guess when the CEO is actually busy? Go on, guess! is it during the season, when the spotlight is on the football department. Or, and stay with me now, is it over the offseason, getting everything put in place for the Football team and the club to operate during the season?
Is the CEO being there over Easter going to help the footy team win on Monday? No, it most surely is not (and if it is, then there are bigger problems at Leichhardt than i thought)

Now, you'll notice i haven't said the CEO has done a good job, because i think it's fair to say he hasn't. But, him taking his family on a holiday they have had to cancel 3 times over Easter is not the story you seem to hope it is.

Seriously you're getting worked up over the Hooper muppet? if ever there was a journo (and there a few) to ignore it would be that bottom feeder lol

[mariner4life]

@bayimports said in NRL 2022:

@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:

@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:

How the NRL (and other sports media) in Australia works

Find rumour x player is possibly signing somewhere else next year. Print story after story about said possible move. As soon as players team loses, print story about how contract situation is providing distraction. Print more stories about transfer. Print more stories about how the distraction is affecting the team. Print stories about how contract system needs to change as it is not fair to clubs and fans to constantly hear speculation. Repeat repeat repeat.

Alternatively. Find battling club. Print a thousand stories about said club. Write stories about the stories. Sit on panel shows, talk about stories. Write story the next day about increased pressure which is nothing more than the same story now being told 3 times. Write stories about how doing nothing is the problem. When changes are made, write stories about how changes show coach is desperate. Repeat until coach fired. Start again.

There are about half a dozen NRL writers. They are all write in papers and appear on the same shows and talk the same shit and then use that as the basis for the next days bullshit. Over and over again.

and, to follow the point (why the fuck do i do this to myself)

The biggest dumb fluffybunny in the small pool of NRL reporting dumb fluffybunnies James Hooper has today written his 25th Wests Tigers article of the week
Today's topic? The CEO taking a week's AL
The football team is losing, why is the CEO going on holiday? That's what the offseason is for?

James, you stupid bald fluffybunny, guess when the CEO is actually busy? Go on, guess! is it during the season, when the spotlight is on the football department. Or, and stay with me now, is it over the offseason, getting everything put in place for the Football team and the club to operate during the season?
Is the CEO being there over Easter going to help the footy team win on Monday? No, it most surely is not (and if it is, then there are bigger problems at Leichhardt than i thought)

Now, you'll notice i haven't said the CEO has done a good job, because i think it's fair to say he hasn't. But, him taking his family on a holiday they have had to cancel 3 times over Easter is not the story you seem to hope it is.

Seriously you're getting worked up over the Hooper muppet? if ever there was a journo (and there a few) to ignore it would be that bottom feeder lol

I'm not worked up, it's just been rammed home to me over the past week what a circuit the NRL media is (not a typo, i mean a circuit). They just spout deadshit opinions, get their mates to agree, and then write articles that about that, and so on.

I don't actually watch it, but there is a case to be made that NRL360 is at the same time the dumbest, and most poisonous show on TV.

At least when Lara Pitt was there after Ikin had to go she tried hard to reign in the deadshits. So of course she was rissoled for the slightly retarded Braith Anasta

[mariner4life]

look what we used to have. look at it.
sobs

[canefan]

@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:

look what we used to have. look at it.
sobs

Is that the team that got beat in the final by the Roosters who rorted the salary cap?

[mariner4life]

@canefan said in NRL 2022:

@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:

look what we used to have. look at it.
sobs

Is that the team that got beat in the final by the Roosters who rorted the salary cap?

every team that wins is rorting the salary cap.

[canefan]

@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:

@canefan said in NRL 2022:

@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:

look what we used to have. look at it.
sobs

Is that the team that got beat in the final by the Roosters who rorted the salary cap?

every team that wins is rorting the salary cap.

It was made official IIRC. But because they are the darlings of Sydney nothing happened