Black Caps vs Proteas 2022
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@higgins said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling.
Good point…although was a terrible era in general
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
Sewell, O'Connor, Walmsley, the list carries on
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@higgins said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling. 17 test wickets @ 29.35 from his five tests for those interested.
...and seemed to be mad as a chook. Was he the one who bowled a literal pie?
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@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@higgins said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling. 17 test wickets @ 29.35 from his five tests for those interested.
...and seemed to be mad as a chook. Was he the one who bowled a literal pie?
Yes, after lunch so the story goes.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/3624961/Heath-Davis-looks-on-the-bright-side
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@higgins said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling. 17 test wickets @ 29.35 from his five tests for those interested.
...and seemed to be mad as a chook. Was he the one who bowled a literal pie?
Yes, after lunch so the story goes.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/3624961/Heath-Davis-looks-on-the-bright-side
yeah and this ball was also an absolute ripper
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@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@higgins said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling. 17 test wickets @ 29.35 from his five tests for those interested.
...and seemed to be mad as a chook. Was he the one who bowled a literal pie?
Yes, after lunch so the story goes.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/3624961/Heath-Davis-looks-on-the-bright-side
yeah and this ball was also an absolute ripper
I remember that. He was lauded as being a real tearaway. But when he played for the BCs he could barely keep it straight. IIRC that over didn't get much better
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@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
Sewell, O'Connor, Walmsley, the list carries on
Shayne O'Connor deserves better than that company, he was pretty useful in the right conditions with the new ball and always provided a point of difference being a left armer. At test level he probably showed more than Allott or Su'a and similar to Franklin would be in contention as our left arm seamer between Chats and Boult.
It was the more the right armers like de Groen, Kennedy, Michael Owens and Gavin Larsen who were absolute fodder at test level. And to be fair they only really played when a series of injuries struck.
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@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
Sewell, O'Connor, Walmsley, the list carries on
Shayne O'Connor deserves better than that company, he was pretty useful in the right conditions with the new ball and always provided a point of difference being a left armer. At test level he probably showed more than Allott or Su'a and similar to Franklin would be in contention as our left arm seamer between Chats and Boult.
It was the more the right armers like de Groen, Kennedy, Michael Owens and Gavin Larsen who were absolute fodder at test level. And to be fair they only really played when a series of injuries struck.
I will not have to Postman spoken of like that. 24 wickets at 28 at test level. No matter what the surface he ALWAYS delivered
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
Sewell, O'Connor, Walmsley, the list carries on
Shayne O'Connor deserves better than that company, he was pretty useful in the right conditions with the new ball and always provided a point of difference being a left armer. At test level he probably showed more than Allott or Su'a and similar to Franklin would be in contention as our left arm seamer between Chats and Boult.
It was the more the right armers like de Groen, Kennedy, Michael Owens and Gavin Larsen who were absolute fodder at test level. And to be fair they only really played when a series of injuries struck.
I will not have to Postman spoken of like that. 24 wickets at 28 at test level. No matter what the surface he ALWAYS delivered
I think it was more the strike rate of 82 as a specialist seamer on generally favourable conditions and not particularly strong opposition. That said his average and strike rate is pretty close to Daniel Vettori - so maybe he wasn't as bad as I remember - which is mostly Gooch milking him for 200 on debut. Obviously class for the time at ODI level.
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@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
Sewell, O'Connor, Walmsley, the list carries on
Shayne O'Connor deserves better than that company, he was pretty useful in the right conditions with the new ball and always provided a point of difference being a left armer. At test level he probably showed more than Allott or Su'a and similar to Franklin would be in contention as our left arm seamer between Chats and Boult.
It was the more the right armers like de Groen, Kennedy, Michael Owens and Gavin Larsen who were absolute fodder at test level. And to be fair they only really played when a series of injuries struck.
I will not have to Postman spoken of like that. 24 wickets at 28 at test level. No matter what the surface he ALWAYS delivered
I think it was more the strike rate of 82 as a specialist seamer on generally favourable conditions and not particularly strong opposition. That said his average and strike rate is pretty close to Daniel Vettori - so maybe he wasn't as bad as I remember - which is mostly Gooch milking him for 200 on debut. Obviously class for the time at ODI level.
Actually I was surprised his test average was as low as that.
But then again I have special memories of Gav, ODI workhorse, a great Wellingtonian and I remember ringing him when I was in College ( after looking up his number in the phone book, how old school is that ? ) about a cricket project I was doing. Such a nice fella.
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@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Shayne O'Connor deserves better than that company, he was pretty useful in the right conditions with the new ball and always provided a point of difference being a left armer. At test level he probably showed more than Allott or Su'a and similar to Franklin would be in contention as our left arm seamer between Chats and Boult.
I am assuming you mean Troup?
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@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
Sewell, O'Connor, Walmsley, the list carries on
Shayne O'Connor deserves better than that company, he was pretty useful in the right conditions with the new ball and always provided a point of difference being a left armer. At test level he probably showed more than Allott or Su'a and similar to Franklin would be in contention as our left arm seamer between Chats and Boult.
It was the more the right armers like de Groen, Kennedy, Michael Owens and Gavin Larsen who were absolute fodder at test level. And to be fair they only really played when a series of injuries struck.
He had a funny old career, I remember none other than Sir Paddles apparently said when he started it was like looking at a left arm version of himself, some praise indeed. His first class stats ( 35 and 28, bat and ball respectively ) put him up there with the very best but unfortunately at test level he pretty much went from strike bowler who could bat pretty well in the lower order to bits and pieces all rounder who was kinda not one or the other. In some games he batted in the top six and didn’t even bowl !
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@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
Sewell, O'Connor, Walmsley, the list carries on
Shayne O'Connor deserves better than that company, he was pretty useful in the right conditions with the new ball and always provided a point of difference being a left armer. At test level he probably showed more than Allott or Su'a and similar to Franklin would be in contention as our left arm seamer between Chats and Boult.
It was the more the right armers like de Groen, Kennedy, Michael Owens and Gavin Larsen who were absolute fodder at test level. And to be fair they only really played when a series of injuries struck.
I will not have to Postman spoken of like that. 24 wickets at 28 at test level. No matter what the surface he ALWAYS delivered
I think it was more the strike rate of 82 as a specialist seamer on generally favourable conditions and not particularly strong opposition. That said his average and strike rate is pretty close to Daniel Vettori - so maybe he wasn't as bad as I remember - which is mostly Gooch milking him for 200 on debut. Obviously class for the time at ODI level.
geez i never considered Gav a specialist seamer, have a misremembered?
In my mind he's a 50-over specialist wicket to wicket military medium bowler. These days he would spend a lot of time being deposited over the fence. But then? Tied down an end beautifully.
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Attitude is the big problem for me this summer.
Switching off for long periods leading to giving our wkts away,Dropping catches and just going through the motions when bowling.Totally a head space problem,We waited expecting things to happen on the field.instead of resetting and going harder.
Not sure if it’s players believing their own press or a culture problem.
They need a kick in the arse or we will keep sliding. -
@chris said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Attitude is the big problem for me this summer.
Switching off for long periods leading to giving our wkts away,Dropping catches and just going through the motions when bowling.
Totally a head space problem,We waited expecting things to happen on the field.instead of resetting and going harder.
Not sure if it’s players believing their own press or a culture problem.
They need a kick in the arse or we will keep sliding.
Yep, I reckon that second Test result was entirely predictable after the first session at Hagley. To mangle the old quote about Paddles, the same team is now quite capable of being either the World XI or the Ilford 2nds, depending on the game...
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@chris said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Attitude is the big problem for me this summer.
Switching off for long periods leading to giving our wkts away,Dropping catches and just going through the motions when bowling.Totally a head space problem,We waited expecting things to happen on the field.instead of resetting and going harder.
Not sure if it’s players believing their own press or a culture problem.
They need a kick in the arse or we will keep sliding.Yeah, all started with taking the Bangla's for granted in that 1st test, so got our arses kicked.
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It's good that batsmen have to face Jamieson's awkward bounce & he swings it, also has a good slower ball... but to add to his bowling armoury would like to see him bowl around the wicket when needed & use the width of the bowling crease too, Southee does that brilliantly.
