Black Caps vs Proteas 2022
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Interesting to see some of the excuses/reasons appearing on social media for the 2-2 summer (mainly Williamson, plus Boult for the SA series).
Yeah that's nonsense... with those two missing we still had the talent there to do the job, no excuse for those couple of shockers.
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Worth reflecting that for about their final year in the Test side, Taylor and Watling weren't the Taylor and Watling of old with the bat either... so their absence isn't a scoreboard cliff that we've suddenly fallen off in the last few months.
It's hard to believe that the second test was an unchanged side, such was the gulf between the two results.
Cricket is such a mental game though, and having those two in the side would have helped the younger players alot
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just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
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@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
Heath Davis?
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@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling. 17 test wickets @ 29.35 from his five tests for those interested.
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@higgins said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling.
Good point…although was a terrible era in general
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
Sewell, O'Connor, Walmsley, the list carries on
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@higgins said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling. 17 test wickets @ 29.35 from his five tests for those interested.
...and seemed to be mad as a chook. Was he the one who bowled a literal pie?
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@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@higgins said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling. 17 test wickets @ 29.35 from his five tests for those interested.
...and seemed to be mad as a chook. Was he the one who bowled a literal pie?
Yes, after lunch so the story goes.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/3624961/Heath-Davis-looks-on-the-bright-side
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@higgins said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling. 17 test wickets @ 29.35 from his five tests for those interested.
...and seemed to be mad as a chook. Was he the one who bowled a literal pie?
Yes, after lunch so the story goes.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/3624961/Heath-Davis-looks-on-the-bright-side
yeah and this ball was also an absolute ripper
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@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@higgins said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling. 17 test wickets @ 29.35 from his five tests for those interested.
...and seemed to be mad as a chook. Was he the one who bowled a literal pie?
Yes, after lunch so the story goes.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/3624961/Heath-Davis-looks-on-the-bright-side
yeah and this ball was also an absolute ripper
I remember that. He was lauded as being a real tearaway. But when he played for the BCs he could barely keep it straight. IIRC that over didn't get much better
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@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
Sewell, O'Connor, Walmsley, the list carries on
Shayne O'Connor deserves better than that company, he was pretty useful in the right conditions with the new ball and always provided a point of difference being a left armer. At test level he probably showed more than Allott or Su'a and similar to Franklin would be in contention as our left arm seamer between Chats and Boult.
It was the more the right armers like de Groen, Kennedy, Michael Owens and Gavin Larsen who were absolute fodder at test level. And to be fair they only really played when a series of injuries struck.
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@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
Sewell, O'Connor, Walmsley, the list carries on
Shayne O'Connor deserves better than that company, he was pretty useful in the right conditions with the new ball and always provided a point of difference being a left armer. At test level he probably showed more than Allott or Su'a and similar to Franklin would be in contention as our left arm seamer between Chats and Boult.
It was the more the right armers like de Groen, Kennedy, Michael Owens and Gavin Larsen who were absolute fodder at test level. And to be fair they only really played when a series of injuries struck.
I will not have to Postman spoken of like that. 24 wickets at 28 at test level. No matter what the surface he ALWAYS delivered
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
Sewell, O'Connor, Walmsley, the list carries on
Shayne O'Connor deserves better than that company, he was pretty useful in the right conditions with the new ball and always provided a point of difference being a left armer. At test level he probably showed more than Allott or Su'a and similar to Franklin would be in contention as our left arm seamer between Chats and Boult.
It was the more the right armers like de Groen, Kennedy, Michael Owens and Gavin Larsen who were absolute fodder at test level. And to be fair they only really played when a series of injuries struck.
I will not have to Postman spoken of like that. 24 wickets at 28 at test level. No matter what the surface he ALWAYS delivered
I think it was more the strike rate of 82 as a specialist seamer on generally favourable conditions and not particularly strong opposition. That said his average and strike rate is pretty close to Daniel Vettori - so maybe he wasn't as bad as I remember - which is mostly Gooch milking him for 200 on debut. Obviously class for the time at ODI level.
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@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
Sewell, O'Connor, Walmsley, the list carries on
Shayne O'Connor deserves better than that company, he was pretty useful in the right conditions with the new ball and always provided a point of difference being a left armer. At test level he probably showed more than Allott or Su'a and similar to Franklin would be in contention as our left arm seamer between Chats and Boult.
It was the more the right armers like de Groen, Kennedy, Michael Owens and Gavin Larsen who were absolute fodder at test level. And to be fair they only really played when a series of injuries struck.
I will not have to Postman spoken of like that. 24 wickets at 28 at test level. No matter what the surface he ALWAYS delivered
I think it was more the strike rate of 82 as a specialist seamer on generally favourable conditions and not particularly strong opposition. That said his average and strike rate is pretty close to Daniel Vettori - so maybe he wasn't as bad as I remember - which is mostly Gooch milking him for 200 on debut. Obviously class for the time at ODI level.
Actually I was surprised his test average was as low as that.
But then again I have special memories of Gav, ODI workhorse, a great Wellingtonian and I remember ringing him when I was in College ( after looking up his number in the phone book, how old school is that ? ) about a cricket project I was doing. Such a nice fella.
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@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Shayne O'Connor deserves better than that company, he was pretty useful in the right conditions with the new ball and always provided a point of difference being a left armer. At test level he probably showed more than Allott or Su'a and similar to Franklin would be in contention as our left arm seamer between Chats and Boult.
I am assuming you mean Troup?
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@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
Sewell, O'Connor, Walmsley, the list carries on
Shayne O'Connor deserves better than that company, he was pretty useful in the right conditions with the new ball and always provided a point of difference being a left armer. At test level he probably showed more than Allott or Su'a and similar to Franklin would be in contention as our left arm seamer between Chats and Boult.
It was the more the right armers like de Groen, Kennedy, Michael Owens and Gavin Larsen who were absolute fodder at test level. And to be fair they only really played when a series of injuries struck.
He had a funny old career, I remember none other than Sir Paddles apparently said when he started it was like looking at a left arm version of himself, some praise indeed. His first class stats ( 35 and 28, bat and ball respectively ) put him up there with the very best but unfortunately at test level he pretty much went from strike bowler who could bat pretty well in the lower order to bits and pieces all rounder who was kinda not one or the other. In some games he batted in the top six and didn’t even bowl !
