2022 School rugby
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@Bovidae some Saffas on social media are saying this was thier 'junior' side or thier 2nd 15 otherwise thier top side would have destroyed all comers.
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@taniwharugby Yeah, those comments have been made throughout the tournament. Of course, I could point out that the Hamilton BHS team also included 15 and 16 year olds. They weren't as big as those Saffers though. There was also a SA ref.
They turned the chat off because there was so much BS in the comments I read for the SF games. I muted the commentary too.
The Festival hasn't been as good as many thought, so if this is just the first year I hope they get a more international flavour (e.g., an Australian team) in the future. But if it's to be held at this time we'll hear the same comments from the South Africans due to their school year. The Sannix tournament was the same for NZ teams as the team that qualified was usually very different to the team that participated early the following year. I just look at something like this as an opportunity for 1st XVs to tour and play international opposition.
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@taniwharugby said in 2022 School rugby:
@Bovidae some Saffas on social media are saying this was thier 'junior' side or thier 2nd 15 otherwise thier top side would have destroyed all comers.
Tough titties to them that they took their opposition too lightly to think they could beat them without their "top side" then.
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@Stargazer said in 2022 School rugby:
@Bovidae One of those dropped balls near the try line. Great fend though.
"Stiff arm"?
Not sure they know what such a thing is.
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SA whinging about not being their 1stXV but only because they play under 19 where as this tournament and the rest of the world play under 18. So their ‘1stXV’ are all under 19.
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@98blueandgold said in 2022 School rugby:
SA whinging about not being their 1stXV but only because they play under 19 where as this tournament and the rest of the world play under 18. So their ‘1stXV’ are all under 19.
Need to understand that contextI think Rotorua Boys' missed this memo ....
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@Rapido said in 2022 School rugby:
@98blueandgold said in 2022 School rugby:
SA whinging about not being their 1stXV but only because they play under 19 where as this tournament and the rest of the world play under 18. So their ‘1stXV’ are all under 19.
Need to understand that contextI think Rotorua Boys' missed this memo ....
I don't think Fijian birth certificates count in NZ so they do it by day of arrival in NZ.
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@Rapido said in 2022 School rugby:
I think Rotorua Boys' missed this memo ....
Didn't they change the regulations about this, as too many teams were fielding teams full of Year 14s?
I seem to remember a kid this year at my school who thought he was returning to play 1st XV, only to be told he was too old and they wouldn't field him.
Indeed, here it is: https://www.nzsssc.co.nz/Sport-1/Events/Eligibility-Regulations
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@Bovidae Correct: we had several boys stay that otherwise would have left, so they could play 1st XV, having missed out due to Covid.
The current rules do make it quite hard for Year 14s though. And also those overseas players who drop back a year on arrival in NZ. We've had Year 13s too old to play 1st XV, having arrived late from the Islands.
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@Chester-Draws said in 2022 School rugby:
@Bovidae Correct: we had several boys stay that otherwise would have left, so they could play 1st XV, having missed out due to Covid.
The current rules do make it quite hard for Year 14s though. And also those overseas players who drop back a year on arrival in NZ. We've had Year 13s too old to play 1st XV, having arrived late from the Islands.
What is actual rule Chester, I not sure what it is, is it age?
I know a few years ago over in Brisbane there was a stink about boys repeating year 12 (or whatever it was) to play another year of rugby, not I real keen on seeing that happen really, it's not really what 1st XV rugby is meant to be about is it? -
From NZRs National policy (NZR) for all competitions for 2022:
Players have to be 18 years old or under (not: under 18) at the 1st of January 2022 to be allowed to play secondary school rugby in 2022. This means that under this policy it's possible for 19-year-olds to play 1st XV rugby as long as they turn 19 after the 1st of January.
However, that's the national policy. Specific competition regulations may stipulate something else!
The regs for the Top 4 (now called "New Zealand Barbarians National 1st Xv Championship") state that all but two participating players must be "under 18 years of age on 1 January in the year of the competition". So players may turn 18 years old after the 1st of January, not 19, except for two players if they want to play in the Top 4.
That's from the 2019 version of the regulations; I've not been able to find a more recent one, so I assume those rules still apply, except that the invitational coed championship isn't played for anymore.
So you can have the situation that a 19-year-old is allowed to play 1st XV rugby in - for example - the Auckland 1A or North Harbour 1A competition, but cannot play at the Top 4! -
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@Bovidae said in 2022 School rugby:
There was the situation a few years back when RBHS won the National Title but didn't have any players in the NZ Schools team. That's probably what @Rapido was referring to, as their best players were too old.
Makes for interesting coaching of teams I guessing, between holding onto players bersus bringing through young ones doesn't it? I always enjoy Rugby new when they have their early season college edition and who is brining through young players etc.
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@Bovidae said in 2022 School rugby:
There was the situation a few years back when RBHS won the National Title but didn't have any players in the NZ Schools team. That's probably what @Rapido was referring to, as their best players were too old.
I think that was the spark to change the rules. It had got completely out of hand.
Interesting that rowing is the other sport where under 18 applies, presumably for the same reason. Students staying at school as Year 14s until Maadi, then immediately leaving school.
I know that Basketball has major issues with this, schools playing Year 14 "students" who basically never attend lessons (being in "work academies" or just not showing up).
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@Chester-Draws you have to be u18 now. You can be year 14 as long as you are under 18. The majority of schools have at least 1 in this boat in the top comps.
