Ashes 2021-22
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@rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:
@majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crucial said in Ashes 2021-22:
There are lots of directions to point fingers when looking at this England rabble but I hope they have learned that Stokes is heartless. His dismissals almost always paid a big part in collapses and were usually from totally unnecessary shots.
Is there more to the story or did he just give up and couldn't be arsed?
Root is a rubbish captain but he also had no support from other senior players.Stokes is heartless?
Ben Stokes has no heart?
Um. Literally lost for words
I'm starting to think @Crucial might be the bloke who Stokes whacked in Bristol. It's the only possible explanation to have it in for him this much!
Even I haven’t had a go at him this much.
Cricket is a fluffybunny of a game though, I’m sure all the Wisden articles prior to the series going on about him being the difference didn’t help. He had an extremely poor series unfortunately
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The pinnacle of the series was a closely fought raid affected draw. Not great viewing overall.
That said, it's a regular series between two teams, there will always be periods where one team is a lot better than the other, that's the nature of sport.
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@rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:
@majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crucial said in Ashes 2021-22:
There are lots of directions to point fingers when looking at this England rabble but I hope they have learned that Stokes is heartless. His dismissals almost always paid a big part in collapses and were usually from totally unnecessary shots.
Is there more to the story or did he just give up and couldn't be arsed?
Root is a rubbish captain but he also had no support from other senior players.Stokes is heartless?
Ben Stokes has no heart?
Um. Literally lost for words
I'm starting to think @Crucial might be the bloke who Stokes whacked in Bristol. It's the only possible explanation to have it in for him this much!
This much? It's the only comment I have made I think? ( There may have been the odd 'wtf was that' during a game)
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@crucial said in Ashes 2021-22:
@rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:
@majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crucial said in Ashes 2021-22:
There are lots of directions to point fingers when looking at this England rabble but I hope they have learned that Stokes is heartless. His dismissals almost always paid a big part in collapses and were usually from totally unnecessary shots.
Is there more to the story or did he just give up and couldn't be arsed?
Root is a rubbish captain but he also had no support from other senior players.Stokes is heartless?
Ben Stokes has no heart?
Um. Literally lost for words
I'm starting to think @Crucial might be the bloke who Stokes whacked in Bristol. It's the only possible explanation to have it in for him this much!
This much? It's the only comment I have made I think? ( There may have been the odd 'wtf was that' during a game)
They might be confusing you with me, I get ferners mixed up all the time in my old age.
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@no-quarter said in Ashes 2021-22:
That said, it's a regular series between two teams, there will always be periods where one team is a lot better than the other, that's the nature of sport.
Agreed - England had a fairly hot run under Strauss/Cook from 2009-2013, with an 8-5-2 record.
If we had been forced to rotate bowlers against India last summer, I wonder if the outcome would have been any different
The pitches were a lot more lively this year, and the revamped Kookaburra ball (+2 pink tests) also made things challenging for the batsmen.
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@majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:
Clearly better than England. Wonder if this will be a spring board for them to come and play with the big boys now.
Bangladesh are looking pretty good, eh?
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@nta said in Ashes 2021-22:
@no-quarter said in Ashes 2021-22:
That said, it's a regular series between two teams, there will always be periods where one team is a lot better than the other, that's the nature of sport.
Agreed - England had a fairly hot run under Strauss/Cook from 2009-2013, with an 8-5-2 record.
If we had been forced to rotate bowlers against India last summer, I wonder if the outcome would have been any different
The pitches were a lot more lively this year, and the revamped Kookaburra ball (+2 pink tests) also made things challenging for the batsmen.
Well those two could actually, you know……”open” the batting in a respectable manner.
Englands openers were shite even by 90s BC standards.
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@nta said in Ashes 2021-22:
@mn5 Australia's weren't much better this series. Sure, Warner got a couple of good scores but as a partnership they were hardly blunting the new ball attack.
Warner will be Broad's little bitch forever.
Fuck knows why they rotated the old boys like they did, both bowled really well at times.
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@no-quarter It's become too bloody regular for me. Five match series between two not exactly brilliant sides has become a bit of a yawn fest TBH. We've had six series in the last decade and seven in 11 years.
There's also not been that many periods of Pommy dominance.
In the last 100 years they have held the Ashes for eight runs. During this time the best they've ever managed is winning three series on the trot which they have managed three times (once during the Packer era). Countering that they have regained the Ashes but failed to retain it at the first hurdle three times as well.
Years with England as Holders (series contested in brackets)
1926-29 (2)
32-34 (1)
53-58 (3)
71-75 (2)
77-83 (3)
85-89 (2)
2005-06 (1)
09-14 (3)
15-17 (1)
they've won 18 series to the Ockers 32 since WWI so roughly 1-3 -
@dogmeat said in Ashes 2021-22:
@no-quarter It's become too bloody regular for me. Five match series between two not exactly brilliant sides has become a bit of a yawn fest TBH. We've had six series in the last decade and seven in 11 years.
There's also not been that many periods of Pommy dominance.
In the last 100 years they have held the Ashes for eight runs. During this time the best they've ever managed is winning three series on the trot which they have managed three times (once during the Packer era). Countering that they have regained the Ashes but failed to retain it at the first hurdle three times as well.
Years with England as Holders (series contested in brackets)
1926-29 (2)
32-34 (1)
53-58 (3)
71-75 (2)
77-83 (3)
85-89 (2)
2005-06 (1)
09-14 (3)
15-17 (1)
they've won 18 series to the Ockers 32 since WWI so roughly 1-3Bloody rough on Australia. They have some seriously class players and Green and Boland are a couple of very good up and comers.
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@mn5 I was meaning over the last decade, but OK. So I'll refine my argument one sided contests between one good-very good and one laughable - good side get a bit boring.
Seriously there have been 35 tests between these two in 11 years. Don't you think it's all a bit samey?
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@dogmeat said in Ashes 2021-22:
@mn5 I was meaning over the last decade, but OK. So I'll refine my argument one sided contests between one good-very good and one laughable - good side get a bit boring.
Seriously there have been 35 tests between these two in 11 years. Don't you think it's all a bit samey?
It’s called the Ashes
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@mn5 said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crucial said in Ashes 2021-22:
@rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:
@majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crucial said in Ashes 2021-22:
There are lots of directions to point fingers when looking at this England rabble but I hope they have learned that Stokes is heartless. His dismissals almost always paid a big part in collapses and were usually from totally unnecessary shots.
Is there more to the story or did he just give up and couldn't be arsed?
Root is a rubbish captain but he also had no support from other senior players.Stokes is heartless?
Ben Stokes has no heart?
Um. Literally lost for words
I'm starting to think @Crucial might be the bloke who Stokes whacked in Bristol. It's the only possible explanation to have it in for him this much!
This much? It's the only comment I have made I think? ( There may have been the odd 'wtf was that' during a game)
They might be confusing you with me, I get ferners mixed up all the time in my old age.
I think I may have misattributed some previous posts, my apologies @Crucial .
Stokes may be a lot of things, including a Cantab, but it's a bit rough on a pitch like that to fault him playing an aggressive game.
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@rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:
@mn5 said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crucial said in Ashes 2021-22:
@rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:
@majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crucial said in Ashes 2021-22:
There are lots of directions to point fingers when looking at this England rabble but I hope they have learned that Stokes is heartless. His dismissals almost always paid a big part in collapses and were usually from totally unnecessary shots.
Is there more to the story or did he just give up and couldn't be arsed?
Root is a rubbish captain but he also had no support from other senior players.Stokes is heartless?
Ben Stokes has no heart?
Um. Literally lost for words
I'm starting to think @Crucial might be the bloke who Stokes whacked in Bristol. It's the only possible explanation to have it in for him this much!
This much? It's the only comment I have made I think? ( There may have been the odd 'wtf was that' during a game)
They might be confusing you with me, I get ferners mixed up all the time in my old age.
I think I may have misattributed some previous posts, my apologies @Crucial .
…..and my only gripe with Stokes is more about articles going on about him as if he’s Botham level when he isn’t quite there.
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Just to clarify the 'heartless' comment.
It was directed at his play in the last couple of tests where he had seemingly given up playing 'for the team'. The guy has ability but wasn't applying it to the team needs.
His batting position dictates a bit of grit, especially when on the verge of a collapse but he played aerial shots and didn't 'put his heart' into it.
Everyone makes mistakes or can be drawn into rash shots. He looked to be playing his own game. -
what's really sad for England is jut how few runs Australia needed to make this series as close to 5-0 as it is possible. And those runs didn't come from the 3 usual suspects
They batted 9 times and scored just shy of 2,500 runs. In Australia that is nothing.
Waj and Head top the totals in the mid-300s. Loosbuschange comes in 3rd, but if the English didn't have feet for hands he has a lot less and is down with Smith and Warner.
And yet England got hammered
Do not go to Australia and try to play back foot drives for fucks sake.
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@mariner4life said in Ashes 2021-22:
what's really sad for England is jut how few runs Australia needed to make this series as close to 5-0 as it is possible. And those runs didn't come from the 3 usual suspects
They batted 9 times and scored just shy of 2,500 runs. In Australia that is nothing.
Waj and Head top the totals in the mid-300s. Loosbuschange comes in 3rd, but if the English didn't have feet for hands he has a lot less and is down with Smith and Warner.
And yet England got hammered
Do not go to Australia and try to play back foot drives for fucks sake.
Loose bus change looks to be doing a Jimmy Adams, his luck is running out….as for Smith his average has plummeted to under 60…..but yes, despite this England still got absolutely murdered.
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@mariner4life said in Ashes 2021-22:
They batted 9 times and scored just shy of 2,500 runs. In Australia that is nothing.
Waj and Head top the totals in the mid-300s.I can't recall the last time there were such bowler friendly wickets across 5 tests in Aussie?
Normally there's at least a couple of grounds that are hard work for the bowlers.
I skimmed through the last few Ashes series in Australia. Here' the top 5 run scorers from each series
This series top 5:
357, 335, 322, 273, 255Older series (totals in bold are higher than this series best):
17/18 - 687, 445, 441, 383, 378
13/14 - 523, 493, 463, 363, 345
10/11 - 766, 570, 445, 435, 360
06/07 - 576, 490, 458, 433, 413 -
@duluth said in Ashes 2021-22:
I can't recall the last time there were such bowler friendly wickets across 5 tests in Aussie?
Normally there's at least a couple of grounds that are hard work for the bowlers.Day/night test changed Adelaide. Melbourne was a fair bit more bouncy and seamy than normal. Then Hobart instead of Perth was a massive change as well. And it was pink ball!
