Ashes 2021-22
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Marks out of 10: Player ratings for England after their 4-0 Ashes defeat
Australia made it 13 wins out of their last 15 home Ashes Tests at Hobart, consigning England to yet another miserable defeat to end a nightmare tour.
Brutal reading.
Hameed did well to score two out of ten to be honest
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@crucial said in Ashes 2021-22:
There are lots of directions to point fingers when looking at this England rabble but I hope they have learned that Stokes is heartless. His dismissals almost always paid a big part in collapses and were usually from totally unnecessary shots.
Is there more to the story or did he just give up and couldn't be arsed?
Root is a rubbish captain but he also had no support from other senior players.Stokes is heartless?
Ben Stokes has no heart?
Um. Literally lost for words
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@majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crucial said in Ashes 2021-22:
There are lots of directions to point fingers when looking at this England rabble but I hope they have learned that Stokes is heartless. His dismissals almost always paid a big part in collapses and were usually from totally unnecessary shots.
Is there more to the story or did he just give up and couldn't be arsed?
Root is a rubbish captain but he also had no support from other senior players.Stokes is heartless?
Ben Stokes has no heart?
Um. Literally lost for words
Gotta admit his efforts last night were pretty poor. They were still well in the game when he swung wildly.
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@majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crucial said in Ashes 2021-22:
There are lots of directions to point fingers when looking at this England rabble but I hope they have learned that Stokes is heartless. His dismissals almost always paid a big part in collapses and were usually from totally unnecessary shots.
Is there more to the story or did he just give up and couldn't be arsed?
Root is a rubbish captain but he also had no support from other senior players.Stokes is heartless?
Ben Stokes has no heart?
Um. Literally lost for words
I'm starting to think @Crucial might be the bloke who Stokes whacked in Bristol. It's the only possible explanation to have it in for him this much!
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@mn5 said in Ashes 2021-22:
@majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crucial said in Ashes 2021-22:
There are lots of directions to point fingers when looking at this England rabble but I hope they have learned that Stokes is heartless. His dismissals almost always paid a big part in collapses and were usually from totally unnecessary shots.
Is there more to the story or did he just give up and couldn't be arsed?
Root is a rubbish captain but he also had no support from other senior players.Stokes is heartless?
Ben Stokes has no heart?
Um. Literally lost for words
Gotta admit his efforts last night were pretty poor. They were still well in the game when he swung wildly.
Yep.
Saying he’s heartless is absurd though.
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@rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:
@majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crucial said in Ashes 2021-22:
There are lots of directions to point fingers when looking at this England rabble but I hope they have learned that Stokes is heartless. His dismissals almost always paid a big part in collapses and were usually from totally unnecessary shots.
Is there more to the story or did he just give up and couldn't be arsed?
Root is a rubbish captain but he also had no support from other senior players.Stokes is heartless?
Ben Stokes has no heart?
Um. Literally lost for words
I'm starting to think @Crucial might be the bloke who Stokes whacked in Bristol. It's the only possible explanation to have it in for him this much!
Even I haven’t had a go at him this much.
Cricket is a fluffybunny of a game though, I’m sure all the Wisden articles prior to the series going on about him being the difference didn’t help. He had an extremely poor series unfortunately
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The pinnacle of the series was a closely fought raid affected draw. Not great viewing overall.
That said, it's a regular series between two teams, there will always be periods where one team is a lot better than the other, that's the nature of sport.
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@rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:
@majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crucial said in Ashes 2021-22:
There are lots of directions to point fingers when looking at this England rabble but I hope they have learned that Stokes is heartless. His dismissals almost always paid a big part in collapses and were usually from totally unnecessary shots.
Is there more to the story or did he just give up and couldn't be arsed?
Root is a rubbish captain but he also had no support from other senior players.Stokes is heartless?
Ben Stokes has no heart?
Um. Literally lost for words
I'm starting to think @Crucial might be the bloke who Stokes whacked in Bristol. It's the only possible explanation to have it in for him this much!
This much? It's the only comment I have made I think? ( There may have been the odd 'wtf was that' during a game)
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@crucial said in Ashes 2021-22:
@rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:
@majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crucial said in Ashes 2021-22:
There are lots of directions to point fingers when looking at this England rabble but I hope they have learned that Stokes is heartless. His dismissals almost always paid a big part in collapses and were usually from totally unnecessary shots.
Is there more to the story or did he just give up and couldn't be arsed?
Root is a rubbish captain but he also had no support from other senior players.Stokes is heartless?
Ben Stokes has no heart?
Um. Literally lost for words
I'm starting to think @Crucial might be the bloke who Stokes whacked in Bristol. It's the only possible explanation to have it in for him this much!
This much? It's the only comment I have made I think? ( There may have been the odd 'wtf was that' during a game)
They might be confusing you with me, I get ferners mixed up all the time in my old age.
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@no-quarter said in Ashes 2021-22:
That said, it's a regular series between two teams, there will always be periods where one team is a lot better than the other, that's the nature of sport.
Agreed - England had a fairly hot run under Strauss/Cook from 2009-2013, with an 8-5-2 record.
If we had been forced to rotate bowlers against India last summer, I wonder if the outcome would have been any different
The pitches were a lot more lively this year, and the revamped Kookaburra ball (+2 pink tests) also made things challenging for the batsmen.
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@majorrage said in Ashes 2021-22:
Clearly better than England. Wonder if this will be a spring board for them to come and play with the big boys now.
Bangladesh are looking pretty good, eh?
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@nta said in Ashes 2021-22:
@no-quarter said in Ashes 2021-22:
That said, it's a regular series between two teams, there will always be periods where one team is a lot better than the other, that's the nature of sport.
Agreed - England had a fairly hot run under Strauss/Cook from 2009-2013, with an 8-5-2 record.
If we had been forced to rotate bowlers against India last summer, I wonder if the outcome would have been any different
The pitches were a lot more lively this year, and the revamped Kookaburra ball (+2 pink tests) also made things challenging for the batsmen.
Well those two could actually, you know……”open” the batting in a respectable manner.
Englands openers were shite even by 90s BC standards.
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@nta said in Ashes 2021-22:
@mn5 Australia's weren't much better this series. Sure, Warner got a couple of good scores but as a partnership they were hardly blunting the new ball attack.
Warner will be Broad's little bitch forever.
Fuck knows why they rotated the old boys like they did, both bowled really well at times.
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@no-quarter It's become too bloody regular for me. Five match series between two not exactly brilliant sides has become a bit of a yawn fest TBH. We've had six series in the last decade and seven in 11 years.
There's also not been that many periods of Pommy dominance.
In the last 100 years they have held the Ashes for eight runs. During this time the best they've ever managed is winning three series on the trot which they have managed three times (once during the Packer era). Countering that they have regained the Ashes but failed to retain it at the first hurdle three times as well.
Years with England as Holders (series contested in brackets)
1926-29 (2)
32-34 (1)
53-58 (3)
71-75 (2)
77-83 (3)
85-89 (2)
2005-06 (1)
09-14 (3)
15-17 (1)
they've won 18 series to the Ockers 32 since WWI so roughly 1-3 -
@dogmeat said in Ashes 2021-22:
@no-quarter It's become too bloody regular for me. Five match series between two not exactly brilliant sides has become a bit of a yawn fest TBH. We've had six series in the last decade and seven in 11 years.
There's also not been that many periods of Pommy dominance.
In the last 100 years they have held the Ashes for eight runs. During this time the best they've ever managed is winning three series on the trot which they have managed three times (once during the Packer era). Countering that they have regained the Ashes but failed to retain it at the first hurdle three times as well.
Years with England as Holders (series contested in brackets)
1926-29 (2)
32-34 (1)
53-58 (3)
71-75 (2)
77-83 (3)
85-89 (2)
2005-06 (1)
09-14 (3)
15-17 (1)
they've won 18 series to the Ockers 32 since WWI so roughly 1-3Bloody rough on Australia. They have some seriously class players and Green and Boland are a couple of very good up and comers.
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@mn5 I was meaning over the last decade, but OK. So I'll refine my argument one sided contests between one good-very good and one laughable - good side get a bit boring.
Seriously there have been 35 tests between these two in 11 years. Don't you think it's all a bit samey?
