All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Gee, midfield is a worry though!
I think they need to go Tupaea/Ioane, but expect they'll go Havili/Ioane.Give Tupaea a start. Pretty much nothing left to lose at this stage at 12/13. Reiko hasn't developed much and Havili has gone backwards.
I'm not throwing Havili under the bus quite yet. He showed a lot early on, and looked the absolute goods. The problem is that when you wind up with a light 8/9/10/12 like Ardie, AS, RM, DH it can get exposed by more physical teams.
His form has really deteriorated though, which is a real pity. ALB is a monster loss for us, and we run the risk of going to RWC23 without a settled midfield. Again.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Gee, midfield is a worry though!
I think they need to go Tupaea/Ioane, but expect they'll go Havili/Ioane.Give Tupaea a start. Pretty much nothing left to lose at this stage at 12/13. Reiko hasn't developed much and Havili has gone backwards.
I'm not throwing Havili under the bus quite yet. He showed a lot early on, and looked the absolute goods. The problem is that when you wind up with a light 8/9/10/12 like Ardie, AS, RM, DH it can get exposed by more physical teams.
His form has really deteriorated though, which is a real pity. ALB is a monster loss for us, and we run the risk of going to RWC23 without a settled midfield. Again.
Is this when Jordie Barrett gets a go at 13? 🙈
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Gee, midfield is a worry though!
I think they need to go Tupaea/Ioane, but expect they'll go Havili/Ioane.Give Tupaea a start. Pretty much nothing left to lose at this stage at 12/13. Reiko hasn't developed much and Havili has gone backwards.
Literally and figuratively
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@nzzp I think it is more when they are being pressured and not going forward, then we struggle at present.
This is where we need a ball runner in the backs, right now, as you say, we are lightweight, aside from Rieko our entire backline is sub 100kg, and when we are struggling to break the gainline with guile, we dont even have power to break it anymore.
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@taniwharugby if we don’t play in the forwards against the French well no for sure the Foster and Co have no idea. Any back playing on the platform we are offering won’t succeed. It will be interesting to see the response.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@taniwharugby if we don’t play in the forwards against the French well no for sure the Foster and Co have no idea. Any back playing on the platform we are offering won’t succeed. It will be interesting to see the response.
If we don't meet them up the guts we are going to lose
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp I think it is more when they are being pressured and not going forward, then we struggle at present.
This is where we need a ball runner in the backs, right now, as you say, we are lightweight, aside from Rieko our entire backline is sub 100kg, and when we are struggling to break the gainline with guile, we dont even have power to break it anymore.
Jordie Barrett says hi.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan Right. We don’t need innovation to beat a rush defense. Just forward control and front foot ball.
and smart attacking the interface of the rush and the ruck. It's where Lions 1 we were on diagonal runs all night - good fast ball tires people consistently; if you want to rush, go for it -but after you've done it 80 times, how good are your legs?
I wonder if the AB passive D is also built on a 'last 20' mindset, where we want to really cut loose and win the game there.
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@mn5 the online stats have him at 96kg, which when I went to school, is less than 100kg.
Jordie Barrett
BORN INTO A rugby-mad family, Jordie Barrett is the younger brother of fellow All Blacks Beauden and Scott and one of eight Barrett siblings.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan Right. We don’t need innovation to beat a rush defense. Just forward control and front foot ball.
Yup. We are still using the 2019 RWC game plan of trying to outflank the rush. But we seem to get too isolated and turn the ball over at the breakdown. Smash them up the guts, make sure we are physical at the cleanout, make them stop us going down the middle, lets see how that turns out
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mn5 the online stats have him at 96kg, which when I went to school, is less than 100kg.
Jordie Barrett
BORN INTO A rugby-mad family, Jordie Barrett is the younger brother of fellow All Blacks Beauden and Scott and one of eight Barrett siblings.
Be warned... Jordie Barrett has bulked up in the off season
As if Jordie Barrett's skill set and athletic ability weren't enough, the twice-capped All Blacks phenom has been 'bulking up' ahead of Super Rugby.
I’ll ask him which stat is right if I see him walking through town when he’s back from overseas
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Not giving up on DH, just think it's time to give QT a start. There's a chance he might provide a solution.
Yep. ALB's injury has expose the bareness of the cupboard. We didn't have a settled 12/13 in 2019, but it did have some experience.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan Right. We don’t need innovation to beat a rush defense. Just forward control and front foot ball.
and smart attacking the interface of the rush and the ruck. It's where Lions 1 we were on diagonal runs all night - good fast ball tires people consistently; if you want to rush, go for it -but after you've done it 80 times, how good are your legs?
Agree although I need to rewatch that game. Must be getting old.
I wonder if the AB passive D is also built on a 'last 20' mindset, where we want to really cut loose and win the game there.
I hope we are not that cocky with such a strategy. I think our defense against Ireland was pretty good. I just don’t understand accepting the concept of playing defense. We are going to wear out our forwards with such a strategy. Surely at least a 50 percent possession stat should be a goal.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan Right. We don’t need innovation to beat a rush defense. Just forward control and front foot ball.
and smart attacking the interface of the rush and the ruck. It's where Lions 1 we were on diagonal runs all night - good fast ball tires people consistently; if you want to rush, go for it -but after you've done it 80 times, how good are your legs?
Agree although I need to rewatch that game. Must be getting old.
I wonder if the AB passive D is also built on a 'last 20' mindset, where we want to really cut loose and win the game there.
I hope we are not that cocky with such a strategy. I think our defense against Ireland was pretty good. I just don’t understand accepting the concept of playing defense. We are going to wear out our forwards with such a strategy. Surely at least a 50 percent possession stat should be a goal.
What happened to offensive defence to generate attacking turnover ball?
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@mn5 well I only went by what the AB and Hurricanes site said, I thought he'd be closest which is why I checked.
