NZ tour of India
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@canefan said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@canefan said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@canefan said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@rapido said in NZ tour of India:
Would love to see Wagner get his white-ball debut for NZ, and then clean up, and then never play the format again ....
I could live with that. The fact he’s never had a go surprises me to no end.
I don't understand either. These days his bowling has so much variation. And he can bat a bit
Hold up an end maybe, I love Wags but I’d hardly use that as a glowing endorsement for a spot in the shorter form. Pretty much anyone can bat a bit these days. Can’t think of the next Chris Martin off the top of my head.
You would think his bowling efforts deserved a shot though. Has he made himself unavailable or has he not been selected ?
Wags doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would opt out. We loves Wags ❤
Who doesn’t ?
Opposition batsmen?
Steve Smith comes to mind
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Confirmation that Williamson won't be playing in the T20s and Southee will be the captain. Kohli won't be playing either, or in the 1st test.
Black Caps T20 squad to face India: Tim Southee (captain), Daryl Mitchell, Martin Guptill, Tim Seifert, Glenn Phillips, Mark Chapman, Jimmy Neesham, Kyle Jamieson, Todd Astle, Mitchell Santner, Ish Sodhi, Adam Milne, Lockie Ferguson, Trent Boult.
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Ended up being a close game in the first T20I. The paper thin squad became even thinner with The Neesh unwell, so Ravindra was drafted across from the test squad to bat at 6. Not thrown the ball though.
No Neesh to bowl at the death and Astle being expensive saw Mitchell thrown the ball for the first time on tour for the final over.
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@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
Ended up being a close game in the first T20I. The paper thin squad became even thinner with The Neesh unwell, so Ravindra was drafted across from the test squad to bat at 6. Not thrown the ball though.
No Neesh to bowl at the death and Astle being expensive saw Mitchell thrown the ball for the first time on tour for the final over.
What did he go for in that over?
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@hooroo said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
Ended up being a close game in the first T20I. The paper thin squad became even thinner with The Neesh unwell, so Ravindra was drafted across from the test squad to bat at 6. Not thrown the ball though.
No Neesh to bowl at the death and Astle being expensive saw Mitchell thrown the ball for the first time on tour for the final over.
What did he go for in that over?
Just seen. Not awful awful. But not ideal either
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Guppy rollicked along at 70 off 42 balls. Chapman played a anchoring 63 off 50. But no-one else could generate a strike rate to finish. After Guppy got out we made only 14 off the final 16 balls and that cost the game I'd say.
Mitchell and Phillips both made ducks.
Santner, Ferguson and Boult with decent figures. Astle got smacked around and Timmy and Mitch Jr. were expensive at the end.
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Guppy got another rollicking start, but didn't last long enough. Mitchell, Chapman and Phillips all made useful scores, but none big enough.
Phillips played his best hand of the tour 34 off 21.
But, it fell apart, with no-one in the lower middle order able to score quickly enough.
The Neesh had a particular shocker - 3 runs off 12 balls and then the only two balls he bowled both got tonked for 6.
Southee ended up with great bowling figures 3 for 16 off his four overs. But, India had an excellent opening partnership and cantered home.
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Trial by spin for New Zealand as Test cricket's top-ranked sides face off
IND v NZ 2021/22 India vs New Zealand Match Preview: With some big names missing on both sides, can New Zealand take advantage of India's relatively inexperienced batting?
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@duluth said in NZ tour of India:
Trial by spin for New Zealand as Test cricket's top-ranked sides face off
IND v NZ 2021/22 India vs New Zealand Match Preview: With some big names missing on both sides, can New Zealand take advantage of India's relatively inexperienced batting?
Colin De Grandhomme is a “big name” supposedly.
Maybe Conway hasn’t played long enough to warrant that title ?
I really hope our three fit pace bowlers all make it but there is the danger one will miss out to shoehorn a spinner in. The team I’d go for would be…..
Latham, Young, KW, Rossco, Nicholls, Blundell ( wk ), Santner ( yes…..sigh ), Jamieson, Southee, Wagner, Patel
I suspect that will be pretty close but one of Jamieson/Wags/Southee will miss out for Somerville which would be fucken criminal given the difference in talent but it’s India so there you go.
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@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 I think they will go three spinners and it will be either Wags or Jamieson who miss out. Personally I'd have Wags in the side and be tempted to rest Southee.
If we only take two spinners I'd make Satnav carry the drinks
Well it’s two relatively unproven guys vs a guy who is proven ( to be a bit shit ) but who can at least bat a bit.
So despite all my criticism of him Santner gets in if it were up to me.
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@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 I'd take the pair who have actually spun us to victories over the veteran who... hasn't.
he actually did against Pakistan though. Got the final niggly wicket to beat them.
But fuck me, look who we’re talking about. It’s certainly not Jadeja or Ashwin is it ?
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I'm still going with Ravindra for my third spinner. As is Smithy.
Ian Smith’s XI for New Zealand:
Tom Latham
Will Young
Kane Williamson
Ross Taylor
Henry Nicholls
Tom Blundell
Rachin Ravindra
William Somerville
Ajaz Patel
Kyle Jamieson
Neil Wagner
Ian Smith names his Blackcaps XI ahead of first Test against India
Smithy has gone spin-heavy in what seems to be a typical sub-continent pitch.
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I had precisely 0 interest in the T20 series, but looking forward to the tests.
I agree with Smithy's team, Southee is unlikely to be effective with military medium pace on a slow pitch with little swing. We'll want a point of difference and Kylo + Wags gives us that.
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@no-quarter said in NZ tour of India:
I had precisely 0 interest in the T20 series, but looking forward to the tests.
I agree with Smithy's team, Southee is unlikely to be effective with military medium pace on a slow pitch with little swing. We'll want a point of difference and Kylo + Wags gives us that.
Which means the Selectors will go with Southee and Santner..
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I have a suspicion that Jamieson could be least effective of the 3 seamers. Due to no bounce. But hell of a decision to make. Until you've given him a chance ... Like the Indians having to leave out Axar Patel in England. But I think Jamieson is on a different level to Axar in 'normal' conditions. So, not really like it at all ....
Southee is a canny operator these days. I think his control of the wobble seam / three-quarter ball will make him pretty effective even as the ball gets older.
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@rapido said in NZ tour of India:
I have a suspicion that Jamieson could be least effective of the 3 seamers. Due to no bounce. But hell of a decision to make. Until you've given him a chance ... Like the Indians having to leave out Axar Patel in England. But I think Jamieson is on a different level to Axar in 'normal' conditions. So, not really like it at all ....
Southee is a canny operator these days. I think his control of the wobble seam / three-quarter ball will make him pretty effective even as the ball gets older.
Amazing problem to have isnt it.
3 World Class pace bowlers each with a unique strength and difference. -
I'm flip flopping. Top 6 picks itself.
But my first choice is lower order / bowling combo is:
- Ravindra
- Southee
- Wagner
- Sommerville
- Patel
But could accept Jamieson for Sommerville. But if they do this I'd be worried the selectors would also swap out Ravindra for the more experienced Santner. As that role's workload would jump by 100%.
I've been a defender of Santner, and think he's been a good balance selection and role player in difficult NZ conditions for his position. But am perfectly comfortable totally swapping him totally out of the 11 in Asia. I'm not worried about him as 3rd spinner, he's plenty good enough for that. But he isn't good enough for second spinner nor is he a good enough batsman.
