NZ tour of India

[Chris B.]

Guppy got another rollicking start, but didn't last long enough. Mitchell, Chapman and Phillips all made useful scores, but none big enough.

Phillips played his best hand of the tour 34 off 21.

But, it fell apart, with no-one in the lower middle order able to score quickly enough.

The Neesh had a particular shocker - 3 runs off 12 balls and then the only two balls he bowled both got tonked for 6.

Southee ended up with great bowling figures 3 for 16 off his four overs. But, India had an excellent opening partnership and cantered home.

[Duluth]

ICC World Test Championship

Trial by spin for New Zealand as Test cricket's top-ranked sides face off

IND v NZ 2021/22 India vs New Zealand Match Preview: With some big names missing on both sides, can New Zealand take advantage of India's relatively inexperienced batting?

[MN5]

@duluth said in NZ tour of India:

ICC World Test Championship

Trial by spin for New Zealand as Test cricket's top-ranked sides face off

IND v NZ 2021/22 India vs New Zealand Match Preview: With some big names missing on both sides, can New Zealand take advantage of India's relatively inexperienced batting?

Colin De Grandhomme is a “big name” supposedly.

Maybe Conway hasn’t played long enough to warrant that title ?

I really hope our three fit pace bowlers all make it but there is the danger one will miss out to shoehorn a spinner in. The team I’d go for would be…..

Latham, Young, KW, Rossco, Nicholls, Blundell ( wk ), Santner ( yes…..sigh ), Jamieson, Southee, Wagner, Patel

I suspect that will be pretty close but one of Jamieson/Wags/Southee will miss out for Somerville which would be fucken criminal given the difference in talent but it’s India so there you go.

[dogmeat]

@mn5 I think they will go three spinners and it will be either Wags or Jamieson who miss out. Personally I'd have Wags in the side and be tempted to rest Southee.

If we only take two spinners I'd make Satnav carry the drinks

[Bovidae]

If you are only going to select two pace bowlers I would be wanting a left/right combo to provide some variety. Wags will run in all day, which is a big plus.

Williamson better have his lucky socks on for the toss.

[MN5]

@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:

@mn5 I think they will go three spinners and it will be either Wags or Jamieson who miss out. Personally I'd have Wags in the side and be tempted to rest Southee.

If we only take two spinners I'd make Satnav carry the drinks

Well it’s two relatively unproven guys vs a guy who is proven ( to be a bit shit ) but who can at least bat a bit.

So despite all my criticism of him Santner gets in if it were up to me.

[dogmeat]

@mn5 I'd take the pair who have actually spun us to victories over the veteran who... hasn't.

[MN5]

@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:

@mn5 I'd take the pair who have actually spun us to victories over the veteran who... hasn't.

he actually did against Pakistan though. Got the final niggly wicket to beat them.

But fuck me, look who we’re talking about. It’s certainly not Jadeja or Ashwin is it ?

[Donsteppa]

I'm still going with Ravindra for my third spinner. As is Smithy.

Ian Smith’s XI for New Zealand:

Tom Latham

Will Young

Kane Williamson

Ross Taylor

Henry Nicholls

Tom Blundell

Rachin Ravindra

William Somerville

Ajaz Patel

Kyle Jamieson

Neil Wagner

Nov 22, 2021

Ian Smith names his Blackcaps XI ahead of first Test against India

Smithy has gone spin-heavy in what seems to be a typical sub-continent pitch.

[No Quarter]

I had precisely 0 interest in the T20 series, but looking forward to the tests.

I agree with Smithy's team, Southee is unlikely to be effective with military medium pace on a slow pitch with little swing. We'll want a point of difference and Kylo + Wags gives us that.

[Virgil]

@no-quarter said in NZ tour of India:

I had precisely 0 interest in the T20 series, but looking forward to the tests.

I agree with Smithy's team, Southee is unlikely to be effective with military medium pace on a slow pitch with little swing. We'll want a point of difference and Kylo + Wags gives us that.

Which means the Selectors will go with Southee and Santner..

[Rapido]

I have a suspicion that Jamieson could be least effective of the 3 seamers. Due to no bounce. But hell of a decision to make. Until you've given him a chance ... Like the Indians having to leave out Axar Patel in England. But I think Jamieson is on a different level to Axar in 'normal' conditions. So, not really like it at all ....

Southee is a canny operator these days. I think his control of the wobble seam / three-quarter ball will make him pretty effective even as the ball gets older.

[Virgil]

@rapido said in NZ tour of India:

I have a suspicion that Jamieson could be least effective of the 3 seamers. Due to no bounce. But hell of a decision to make. Until you've given him a chance ... Like the Indians having to leave out Axar Patel in England. But I think Jamieson is on a different level to Axar in 'normal' conditions. So, not really like it at all ....

Southee is a canny operator these days. I think his control of the wobble seam / three-quarter ball will make him pretty effective even as the ball gets older.

Amazing problem to have isnt it.
3 World Class pace bowlers each with a unique strength and difference.

[Rapido]

I'm flip flopping. Top 6 picks itself.

But my first choice is lower order / bowling combo is:

7. Ravindra
8. Southee
9. Wagner
10. Sommerville
11. Patel

But could accept Jamieson for Sommerville. But if they do this I'd be worried the selectors would also swap out Ravindra for the more experienced Santner. As that role's workload would jump by 100%.

I've been a defender of Santner, and think he's been a good balance selection and role player in difficult NZ conditions for his position. But am perfectly comfortable totally swapping him totally out of the 11 in Asia. I'm not worried about him as 3rd spinner, he's plenty good enough for that. But he isn't good enough for second spinner nor is he a good enough batsman.

[No Quarter]

@rapido said in NZ tour of India:

I have a suspicion that Jamieson could be least effective of the 3 seamers. Due to no bounce. But hell of a decision to make. Until you've given him a chance ... Like the Indians having to leave out Axar Patel in England. But I think Jamieson is on a different level to Axar in 'normal' conditions. So, not really like it at all ....

Southee is a canny operator these days. I think his control of the wobble seam / three-quarter ball will make him pretty effective even as the ball gets older.

A fair counter, Southee is a canny operator for sure. I just think we'd be crazy not to give Kyle a go given how insanely good he's been to date - his sheer height causes the Indian batsmen plenty of issues and I think that will continue even without the extra bounce. The point of release is completely different to our other bowlers which makes it tougher to pick up the length as quickly.

That said, it'll be the spinners that hold the key to 20 wickets.

[MN5]

I’ll be furious if they leave out Jamieson.

Then again I’ll be furious if they leave out Southee or Wags.

So I’m bracing myself to be furious.

[Rapido]

I'm going to be totally emotionally spent by the final 11 selection and then the toss.

Then, inevitably, we will witness a typical unprepared first test tourist roll over and have their tummy scratched let down anyway.

[Donsteppa]

Via Cricinfo:

On the pitch report, Deep Dasgupta and Simon Doull reckon there will be turn and perhaps variable bounce on this pitch. Some cracks, which are a bit wobbly around the edges already. You would want to win the toss here!

9 am Toss time: India win the toss and will bat.

Boooooooooooooo!

Not looking forward to the final innings...

[bayimports]

another game decided by the toss.. yay

[Donsteppa]

Williamson, back after his elbow injury enforced break, says this will be a different challenge. Ajaz Patel and Will Sommerville playing, as is debutant Rachin Ravindra.