NZ tour of India
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With none of the batters able to roll their arms over to provide back up seam, I would be surprised if they went with two seamers and three spinners.
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@crazy-horse said in Other Cricket:
With none of the batters able to roll their arms over to provide back up seam, I would be surprised if they went with two seamers and three spinners.
I think it will depend on whether there's a blade of grass on the pitch, or whether it's like the last three tests in India v. England...
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@crazy-horse They did last time we were in Kanpur.
IND vs NZ Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at Kanpur, September 22 - 26, 2016
Get cricket scorecard of 1st Test, IND vs NZ, NZ tour of India 2016/17 at Green Park, Kanpur dated September 22 - 26, 2016.
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They've slightly stuffed up the squad again IMO, but only slightly.
Just the wrong Mitchell. Should be Darryl Mitchell and no Mitchell Santner.
I'm not entirely sure of my desired first 11. But I know it definitely includes the two specialist spinners Patel and Sommerville. Therefore only 2 seamers out of the 3 of Southee, Jamieson, Wagner.
The last place to balance that out should be either Daryl Mitchell or Rachin Ravindra - it's the batting this place should be primarily selected on. Therefore definitely not Santner.
But from the cattle they've given us, It's either Ravindra or Phillips. But they'll probably go Santner and play the 3rd seamer, not Sommerville, and we will score no runs and Patel can be seen off with not enough pressure at other end - and we will lose badly.
TBH. The zero cricket that Patel, Sommerville, Taylor have gotten due to lockdowns means we will be even more under-prepped than usual. So, bit moot.
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@rapido said in Other Cricket:
They've slightly stuffed up the squad again IMO, but only slightly.
Just the wrong Mitchell. Should be Darryl Mitchell and no Mitchell Santner.
I'm not entirely sure of my desired first 11. But I know it definitely includes the two specialist spinners Patel and Sommerville. Therefore only 2 seamers out of the 3 of Southee, Jamieson, Wagner.
The last place to balance that out should be either Daryl Mitchell or Rachin Ravindra - it's the batting this place should be primarily selected on. Therefore definitely not Santner.
But from the cattle they've given us, It's either Ravindra or Phillips. But they'll probably go Santner and play the 3rd seamer, not Sommerville, and we will score no runs and Patel can be seen off with not enough pressure at other end - and we will lose badly.
TBH. The zero cricket that Patel, Sommerville, Taylor have gotten due to lockdowns means we will be even more under-prepped than usual. So, bit moot.
This is absolutely crazy talk. The absence of Boult means these three have to step up, not fight for two places !!!!
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@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@rapido said in Other Cricket:
They've slightly stuffed up the squad again IMO, but only slightly.
Just the wrong Mitchell. Should be Darryl Mitchell and no Mitchell Santner.
I'm not entirely sure of my desired first 11. But I know it definitely includes the two specialist spinners Patel and Sommerville. Therefore only 2 seamers out of the 3 of Southee, Jamieson, Wagner.
The last place to balance that out should be either Daryl Mitchell or Rachin Ravindra - it's the batting this place should be primarily selected on. Therefore definitely not Santner.
But from the cattle they've given us, It's either Ravindra or Phillips. But they'll probably go Santner and play the 3rd seamer, not Sommerville, and we will score no runs and Patel can be seen off with not enough pressure at other end - and we will lose badly.
TBH. The zero cricket that Patel, Sommerville, Taylor have gotten due to lockdowns means we will be even more under-prepped than usual. So, bit moot.
This is absolutely crazy talk. The absence of Boult means these three have to step up, not fight for two places !!!!
Nope.
Writing on the wall that 4 of them were fighting for 2 places. So why bother going through all the MIQ and other malarkey for a guy with young family. All 3 will get a test on the short tour, but hopefully not in same match.
NZ have good results in UAE and Sri Lanka the last 2 years when they pick a proper team for the conditions. 2 seamer, 2 spinners and an allrounder (which was CdG).
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@rapido said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@rapido said in Other Cricket:
They've slightly stuffed up the squad again IMO, but only slightly.
Just the wrong Mitchell. Should be Darryl Mitchell and no Mitchell Santner.
I'm not entirely sure of my desired first 11. But I know it definitely includes the two specialist spinners Patel and Sommerville. Therefore only 2 seamers out of the 3 of Southee, Jamieson, Wagner.
The last place to balance that out should be either Daryl Mitchell or Rachin Ravindra - it's the batting this place should be primarily selected on. Therefore definitely not Santner.
But from the cattle they've given us, It's either Ravindra or Phillips. But they'll probably go Santner and play the 3rd seamer, not Sommerville, and we will score no runs and Patel can be seen off with not enough pressure at other end - and we will lose badly.
TBH. The zero cricket that Patel, Sommerville, Taylor have gotten due to lockdowns means we will be even more under-prepped than usual. So, bit moot.
This is absolutely crazy talk. The absence of Boult means these three have to step up, not fight for two places !!!!
Nope.
Writing on the wall that 4 of them were fighting for 2 places. So why bother going through all the MIQ and other malarkey for a guy with young family. All 3 will get a test on the short tour, but hopefully not in same match.
NZ have good results in UAE and Sri Lanka the last 2 years when they pick a proper team for the conditions. 2 seamer, 2 spinners and an allrounder (which was CdG).
I do kind of see your reasoning but our pace trio has an amazing ( for NZ ) mix of talent and experience. I can’t see ANY of them being dropped but then again I see the need for spin so it has the potential to be a headache.
If they promoted Jamieson to seven then there’s room for both spinners making it, flipside of that of course is a potentially very long tail.
I don’t want Santner ( average of 45 and never more than three wickets in an innings ) anywhere near the team.
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NZ have only won 15 teats in Asia in 67 years of touring.
20% (or 3) of all or Asian wins have come in last 2 years with Patel/Sommerville/2 Seamers/CdG.
With this knowledge, the exclusion of Darryl Mitchell is almost bloody criminal. Yeah, I know his bowling isn't in CdG's league, but at least his recent batting is way better.
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@rapido said in Other Cricket:
**NZ have only won 15 teats in Asia in 52 years of touring.
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20% (or 3) of all or Asian wins have come in last 2 years with Patel/Sommerville/2 Seamers/CdG.With this knowledge, the exclusion of Darryl Mitchell is almost bloody criminal. Yeah, I know his bowling isn't in CdG's league, but at least his recent batting is way better.
That’s a pretty wide span and as long suffering fans like us know we’ve had some absolutely shithouse teams…..then again India have also been weak during certain periods…….
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We've had 5 teats in Asia in those last 2 years. 3 wins as mentioned above, the 2 we lost is when we ventured away from that balance. Erratic Sodhi instead of Sommerville in one, Santner instead of CdG in another.
I might just be getting superstitious now, rather than basing an ironed-on strategy on such small sample sizes.
My hunch that they will play Santner. His bowling will be fine in those likely conditions for the 5th bowler. But I don't rate his test batting as good enough to balance that team. However in the 2 tours I mention. CdG batting was terrible in UAE where he was all at see v Yasir Shah (and v Hasan Ali in the white ball games) - but his contribution with the bat in SL was vital.
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@rapido said in Other Cricket:
We've had 5 teats in Asia in those last 2 years. 3 wins as mentioned above, the 2 we lost is when we ventured away from that balance. Erratic Sodhi instead of Sommerville in one, Santner instead of CdG in another.
I might just be getting superstitious now, rather than basing an ironed-on strategy on such small sample sizes.
My hunch that they will play Santner. His bowling will be fine in those likely conditions for the 5th bowler. But I don't rate his test batting as good enough to balance that team. However in the 2 tours I mention. CdG batting was terrible in UAE where he was all at see v Yasir Shah (and v Hasan Ali in the white ball games) - but his contribution with the bat in SL was vital.
Yeah despite our grumblings I can easily see Santner getting picked and bowling adequately enough to then get picked in our summer tests.
CDGH not being there is a big bonus for him.
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Venturing off topic a bit.
But a little tribute for CdG's bowling.
We've never had a 5th bowler like him in my almost 40 years of watching. He was effective in almost all conditions (Asia, NZ, Aus etc). Kept it tight as well as getting wickets. New ball swing wickets, older ball wobble seam wickets.
Man, we're going to miss that ... yet, no qualms with him opting out of this tour and wondering if he would have been dropped anyway based on his current batting form.
But, what a useful player ha has been for us.
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@crazy-horse said in Other Cricket:
With none of the batters able to roll their arms over to provide back up seam, I would be surprised if they went with two seamers and three spinners.
Stead has pretty much indicated that Patel and Somerville will be in the XI along with 2 pace bowlers. Like @Donsteppa I'd strengthen the batting for the last position and use Ravindra as the 5th bowling option.
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@rapido said in Other Cricket:
Venturing off topic a bit.
But a little tribute for CdG's bowling.
We've never had a 5th bowler like him in my almost 40 years of watching. He was effective in almost all conditions (Asia, NZ, Aus etc). Kept it tight as well as getting wickets. New ball swing wickets, older ball wobble seam wickets.
Man, we're going to miss that ... yet, no qualms with him opting out of this tour and wondering if he would have been dropped anyway based on his current batting form.
But, what a useful player ha has been for us.
He became the kind of test player I hoped Corey Anderson or Jimmy Neesham would become, I looked at either one of those two as our answer to Ben Stokes to be honest.
CDGH rode his luck and had a very decent career all things considered.
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@rapido said in Other Cricket:
Venturing off topic a bit.
But a little tribute for CdG's bowling.
We've never had a 5th bowler like him in my almost 40 years of watching. He was effective in almost all conditions (Asia, NZ, Aus etc). Kept it tight as well as getting wickets. New ball swing wickets, older ball wobble seam wickets.
Man, we're going to miss that ... yet, no qualms with him opting out of this tour and wondering if he would have been dropped anyway based on his current batting form.
But, what a useful player ha has been for us.
He became the kind of test player I hoped Corey Anderson or Jimmy Neesham would become, I looked at either one of those two as our answer to Ben Stokes to be honest.
CDGH rode his luck and had a very decent career all things considered.
His timing is right. The team is passing him by now. Doesn't detract from the contribution made over the last few years
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@canefan said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@rapido said in Other Cricket:
Venturing off topic a bit.
But a little tribute for CdG's bowling.
We've never had a 5th bowler like him in my almost 40 years of watching. He was effective in almost all conditions (Asia, NZ, Aus etc). Kept it tight as well as getting wickets. New ball swing wickets, older ball wobble seam wickets.
Man, we're going to miss that ... yet, no qualms with him opting out of this tour and wondering if he would have been dropped anyway based on his current batting form.
But, what a useful player ha has been for us.
He became the kind of test player I hoped Corey Anderson or Jimmy Neesham would become, I looked at either one of those two as our answer to Ben Stokes to be honest.
CDGH rode his luck and had a very decent career all things considered.
His timing is right. The team is passing him by now. Doesn't detract from the contribution made over the last few years
That’s a weakness of the test team relatively speaking. Others have better all rounders like Jadela, Ashwin, Stokes, Holder and Al Hasan.
Mitch Santner doesn’t quite compare to those guys.
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It's some ways it's probably a good thing that the Caps get off an Emirates flight and straight into a game on Wednesday. I'm sour and grumpy about the game, and I'm half a world away, so goodness knows what it's like for them. Getting straight back into it probably avoids them dwelling on it for too long...
I see it's the same T20I squad as the World Cup for the India T20I games. I wonder if Allen and Ravindra will play themselves into the top team mix over the next 12 months. Will be interesting to watch Ravindra's bowling over the next wee while - if he can bat 6/7 and bowl four overs that would put real pressure on Santner, and especially on the erratic Sodhi.
And the biggest question; can Mr Ferguson stay consistently injury free at the right time?
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@donsteppa said in T20 World Cup 2021:
I see it's the same T20I squad as the World Cup for the India T20I games.
It looks like both NZ and India will be resting some key players for the T20 games to save them for the test series. Williamson and Southee have been mentioned for NZ.
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@bovidae said in T20 World Cup 2021:
@donsteppa said in T20 World Cup 2021:
I see it's the same T20I squad as the World Cup for the India T20I games.
It looks like both NZ and India will be resting some key players for the T20 games to save them for the test series. Williamson and Southee have been mentioned for NZ.
Makes sense, I wondered about Williamson's elbow injury ahead of the tests. Might be a paper thin specialist batting lineup with no Williamson or Conway in the T20I's...
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NZ are down to 13 players (from the T20 squad), so limited amount of resting that they can do, unless they integrate the test players in to play some of the T20 games.
Although apparently Fergusson is near fitness again, and still there, and may be available. To push it up to 14 players.
