NZ tour of India
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NZ have only won 15 teats in Asia in 67 years of touring.
20% (or 3) of all or Asian wins have come in last 2 years with Patel/Sommerville/2 Seamers/CdG.
With this knowledge, the exclusion of Darryl Mitchell is almost bloody criminal. Yeah, I know his bowling isn't in CdG's league, but at least his recent batting is way better.
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@rapido said in Other Cricket:
**NZ have only won 15 teats in Asia in 52 years of touring.
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20% (or 3) of all or Asian wins have come in last 2 years with Patel/Sommerville/2 Seamers/CdG.With this knowledge, the exclusion of Darryl Mitchell is almost bloody criminal. Yeah, I know his bowling isn't in CdG's league, but at least his recent batting is way better.
That’s a pretty wide span and as long suffering fans like us know we’ve had some absolutely shithouse teams…..then again India have also been weak during certain periods…….
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We've had 5 teats in Asia in those last 2 years. 3 wins as mentioned above, the 2 we lost is when we ventured away from that balance. Erratic Sodhi instead of Sommerville in one, Santner instead of CdG in another.
I might just be getting superstitious now, rather than basing an ironed-on strategy on such small sample sizes.
My hunch that they will play Santner. His bowling will be fine in those likely conditions for the 5th bowler. But I don't rate his test batting as good enough to balance that team. However in the 2 tours I mention. CdG batting was terrible in UAE where he was all at see v Yasir Shah (and v Hasan Ali in the white ball games) - but his contribution with the bat in SL was vital.
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@rapido said in Other Cricket:
We've had 5 teats in Asia in those last 2 years. 3 wins as mentioned above, the 2 we lost is when we ventured away from that balance. Erratic Sodhi instead of Sommerville in one, Santner instead of CdG in another.
I might just be getting superstitious now, rather than basing an ironed-on strategy on such small sample sizes.
My hunch that they will play Santner. His bowling will be fine in those likely conditions for the 5th bowler. But I don't rate his test batting as good enough to balance that team. However in the 2 tours I mention. CdG batting was terrible in UAE where he was all at see v Yasir Shah (and v Hasan Ali in the white ball games) - but his contribution with the bat in SL was vital.
Yeah despite our grumblings I can easily see Santner getting picked and bowling adequately enough to then get picked in our summer tests.
CDGH not being there is a big bonus for him.
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Venturing off topic a bit.
But a little tribute for CdG's bowling.
We've never had a 5th bowler like him in my almost 40 years of watching. He was effective in almost all conditions (Asia, NZ, Aus etc). Kept it tight as well as getting wickets. New ball swing wickets, older ball wobble seam wickets.
Man, we're going to miss that ... yet, no qualms with him opting out of this tour and wondering if he would have been dropped anyway based on his current batting form.
But, what a useful player ha has been for us.
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@crazy-horse said in Other Cricket:
With none of the batters able to roll their arms over to provide back up seam, I would be surprised if they went with two seamers and three spinners.
Stead has pretty much indicated that Patel and Somerville will be in the XI along with 2 pace bowlers. Like @Donsteppa I'd strengthen the batting for the last position and use Ravindra as the 5th bowling option.
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@rapido said in Other Cricket:
Venturing off topic a bit.
But a little tribute for CdG's bowling.
We've never had a 5th bowler like him in my almost 40 years of watching. He was effective in almost all conditions (Asia, NZ, Aus etc). Kept it tight as well as getting wickets. New ball swing wickets, older ball wobble seam wickets.
Man, we're going to miss that ... yet, no qualms with him opting out of this tour and wondering if he would have been dropped anyway based on his current batting form.
But, what a useful player ha has been for us.
He became the kind of test player I hoped Corey Anderson or Jimmy Neesham would become, I looked at either one of those two as our answer to Ben Stokes to be honest.
CDGH rode his luck and had a very decent career all things considered.
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@rapido said in Other Cricket:
Venturing off topic a bit.
But a little tribute for CdG's bowling.
We've never had a 5th bowler like him in my almost 40 years of watching. He was effective in almost all conditions (Asia, NZ, Aus etc). Kept it tight as well as getting wickets. New ball swing wickets, older ball wobble seam wickets.
Man, we're going to miss that ... yet, no qualms with him opting out of this tour and wondering if he would have been dropped anyway based on his current batting form.
But, what a useful player ha has been for us.
He became the kind of test player I hoped Corey Anderson or Jimmy Neesham would become, I looked at either one of those two as our answer to Ben Stokes to be honest.
CDGH rode his luck and had a very decent career all things considered.
His timing is right. The team is passing him by now. Doesn't detract from the contribution made over the last few years
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@canefan said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@rapido said in Other Cricket:
Venturing off topic a bit.
But a little tribute for CdG's bowling.
We've never had a 5th bowler like him in my almost 40 years of watching. He was effective in almost all conditions (Asia, NZ, Aus etc). Kept it tight as well as getting wickets. New ball swing wickets, older ball wobble seam wickets.
Man, we're going to miss that ... yet, no qualms with him opting out of this tour and wondering if he would have been dropped anyway based on his current batting form.
But, what a useful player ha has been for us.
He became the kind of test player I hoped Corey Anderson or Jimmy Neesham would become, I looked at either one of those two as our answer to Ben Stokes to be honest.
CDGH rode his luck and had a very decent career all things considered.
His timing is right. The team is passing him by now. Doesn't detract from the contribution made over the last few years
That’s a weakness of the test team relatively speaking. Others have better all rounders like Jadela, Ashwin, Stokes, Holder and Al Hasan.
Mitch Santner doesn’t quite compare to those guys.
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It's some ways it's probably a good thing that the Caps get off an Emirates flight and straight into a game on Wednesday. I'm sour and grumpy about the game, and I'm half a world away, so goodness knows what it's like for them. Getting straight back into it probably avoids them dwelling on it for too long...
I see it's the same T20I squad as the World Cup for the India T20I games. I wonder if Allen and Ravindra will play themselves into the top team mix over the next 12 months. Will be interesting to watch Ravindra's bowling over the next wee while - if he can bat 6/7 and bowl four overs that would put real pressure on Santner, and especially on the erratic Sodhi.
And the biggest question; can Mr Ferguson stay consistently injury free at the right time?
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@donsteppa said in T20 World Cup 2021:
I see it's the same T20I squad as the World Cup for the India T20I games.
It looks like both NZ and India will be resting some key players for the T20 games to save them for the test series. Williamson and Southee have been mentioned for NZ.
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@bovidae said in T20 World Cup 2021:
@donsteppa said in T20 World Cup 2021:
I see it's the same T20I squad as the World Cup for the India T20I games.
It looks like both NZ and India will be resting some key players for the T20 games to save them for the test series. Williamson and Southee have been mentioned for NZ.
Makes sense, I wondered about Williamson's elbow injury ahead of the tests. Might be a paper thin specialist batting lineup with no Williamson or Conway in the T20I's...
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NZ are down to 13 players (from the T20 squad), so limited amount of resting that they can do, unless they integrate the test players in to play some of the T20 games.
Although apparently Fergusson is near fitness again, and still there, and may be available. To push it up to 14 players.
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@rapido said in T20 World Cup 2021:
NZ are down to 13 players (from the T20 squad), so limited amount of resting that they can do, unless they integrate the test players in to play some of the T20 games.
They must be over there? None of the test players are playing Plunket Shield this round and I read in an article Taylor headed to India last week. So it's make sense to use those guys than rush Ferguson back.
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@rapido said in NZ tour of India:
Would love to see Wagner get his white-ball debut for NZ, and then clean up, and then never play the format again ....
I could live with that. The fact he’s never had a go surprises me to no end.
I don't understand either. These days his bowling has so much variation. And he can bat a bit
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@canefan said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@rapido said in NZ tour of India:
Would love to see Wagner get his white-ball debut for NZ, and then clean up, and then never play the format again ....
I could live with that. The fact he’s never had a go surprises me to no end.
I don't understand either. These days his bowling has so much variation. And he can bat a bit
Hold up an end maybe, I love Wags but I’d hardly use that as a glowing endorsement for a spot in the shorter form. Pretty much anyone can bat a bit these days. Can’t think of the next Chris Martin off the top of my head.
You would think his bowling efforts deserved a shot though. Has he made himself unavailable or has he not been selected ?
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@canefan said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@rapido said in NZ tour of India:
Would love to see Wagner get his white-ball debut for NZ, and then clean up, and then never play the format again ....
I could live with that. The fact he’s never had a go surprises me to no end.
I don't understand either. These days his bowling has so much variation. And he can bat a bit
Hold up an end maybe, I love Wags but I’d hardly use that as a glowing endorsement for a spot in the shorter form. Pretty much anyone can bat a bit these days. Can’t think of the next Chris Martin off the top of my head.
You would think his bowling efforts deserved a shot though. Has he made himself unavailable or has he not been selected ?
Wags doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would opt out. We loves Wags ❤
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@canefan said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@canefan said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@rapido said in NZ tour of India:
Would love to see Wagner get his white-ball debut for NZ, and then clean up, and then never play the format again ....
I could live with that. The fact he’s never had a go surprises me to no end.
I don't understand either. These days his bowling has so much variation. And he can bat a bit
Hold up an end maybe, I love Wags but I’d hardly use that as a glowing endorsement for a spot in the shorter form. Pretty much anyone can bat a bit these days. Can’t think of the next Chris Martin off the top of my head.
You would think his bowling efforts deserved a shot though. Has he made himself unavailable or has he not been selected ?
Wags doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would opt out. We loves Wags ❤
Who doesn’t ?
