All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour
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@dagrubster so why the gnashing of teeth?.You guys were spoiled with McCaw et al. Hint, that era wasn't normal. This is 😁
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@victor-meldrew We need someone like Robertson. He knows how to get the best out of players.
My concern is that Robertson won't make that much difference and we've effectively shared the headless-chicken stuff from the field to the coaches office.
Something has gone badly wrong in the last 4 years. The only good thing to come from this game is it might make people sit up and ask some hard questions - players, coaches and NZRFU management
I suspect it runs a bit deeper than just the coach (but in saying that I’m not saying fozzie is the best man for the job .)
Blowing teams off the park with razzle dazzle isn’t as easy as it was and I think it’s largely due to the improvement in the opposition dealing with what we tend to do well .
The nh sides now look far more than well rounded than they used to, and we can look a bit like one trick poneys in our approach to the game
that goes back to coaching (and I guess, captains).
You are right , but I guess I’m saying it’s how we tend to approach the game at the lower levels and it’s become ingrained , so I’m wondering if it runs deeper
But if anyone coaches at super rugby level that resembles test match rugby the most , it’s Robertson . I think we missed a trick in not appointing him in the first place , but confused if swapping him now , is best for the team or him with only 2 years before the wc . If it doesn’t work , does he get thrown on the scrap heap as well?
Not sure if it’s that simple a fix is my concern.
2 years is enough, he knows key players and he was pretty good in his first year as Crusaders coach, if I recall rightly. Plus I don't think he would make huge changes at a selection level.
Whoever is coach, the combinations really need to improve. I think the players are good enough, in the main.
And I don't think he would do things like play Jordie at wing.What key players does he know? RM, DH, Reece, Jordan...
He's been working on those guys for years and they still make poor decisions and can't play their games under pressure.
RM and DH were absolutely appalling in their decisions and control today. I can forgive DH a little as he is new to the position but RM is supposedly the hard done by 10 option when he doesn't start. Offered nothing to the ABs today and plenty to Ireland. Did the same in the RWC Semi and hasn't progressed. Looks a million when things are going easy for the team (like in Super) -
I don’t know then.
Fozzie has been better than I thought he would be tbh. But we haven’t improved at all against teams that play like Ireland did today or England did in ‘19. It has been a problem since the Lions exposed some of these weaknesses in 2017.
Whether it’s our gameplan, player quality, coaching issue, the world catching up to the ABs with all of the IP we have provided the rest of the world through the player and coach drain, domestic competition and pathway to test rugby I’m not sure. It’s probably a combination of all of them.
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It’s not normal. The McCaw era was awesome but the ABs were awesome fo a very long time before he was even born.
I don’t mind being beaten by a better side. Which is what happened today. But it’s the manner of the defeat that shows we aren’t learning or progressing or maybe even able to change this type of defeat from happening.
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Just on the reffing, I flagged a month or so ago that we may come across one of these Premiership ref teams that run the game with an extra ref in the box. It's not a style we are used to and I thought it would cause consternation.
I know the players were constantly chipping at him but the refs set the precedent early on by reviewing something very debatable and searching forever to justify a position. No wonder the players kept asking for reviews.
As a style of reffing, it does cause that problem as we know fault can be found in almost every situation so if you are going to search freeze frames for fault in some cases why not others?
Does it make for more accurate decisions? A little. Does it make the game less of an effect on tiring players? Absolutely. All that defending and we were being given long breathers all the time. -
The way the NZR conducted the interview process meant that hardly any Nz coach ran for it apart from Fozzie and Robertson who was an NZR employee and available.
One of the most prestigious jobs in world rugby and they are advertising it in the papers. Joke process and it was an open secret that Foster had the job. Most coaches had to secure the next contract way before the interviews took place.
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@dagrubster 5 years since first being exposed by a good rush defence and still can't deal with it
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@taniwharugby only one way to deal with a rush defence. ABs did it in first Lions test in 2017. And never again.
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@dagrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
The way the NZR conducted the interview process meant that hardly any Nz coach ran for it apart from Fozzie and Robertson who was an NZR employee and available.
and the coaching groups were weak. if my memory is correct jason holland was in robertsons team?.
as i said before brad mooar needs to go dont know who we can get but our attack is non existent. if that is the best he can come up with to brake dow the irish we are in trouble. -
Can anyone be surprised at this result? We don't get enough from our props and our loose forwards don't combine enough with the tight five to go narrow and draw defenders in.
You simply can't play rugby at this level without the ball. A game plan that revolves around 50:50 kicks in your own half is just fucking stupid. Get into their half, secure possession, break down their defence.
We also seem enamoured with players who look great playing on dry tracks in summer. It's a long tour but Havili has gone backwards to the point he should already be occupying a space in MIQ. TJP manages to come back from Japan straight into the team and is terrible. Unsurprisingly. NZ just isn't adequately developing players at the SR level.
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Yes, his coaching group wasn’t as strong. Tony brown pulling out late hurt him there
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@dagrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Yes, his coaching group wasn’t as strong. Tony brown pulling out late hurt him there
Brown was approached by Foster too but he was loyal to Joseph.
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The big problem is that there aren't too many other options.
The cupboard is bare at prop, lock (BBBR and SW now look old), halfback (behind Smith), 1st and 2nd Five.
Centre is better with Goodhue and PUJ as possible options.
LHP : Hodgman. Not better than the current ones.
THP : Cupboard totally bare.
Lock : S. Barrett and Tuipolutu ?
Halfback : Fakatava and Ratima maybe
1st Five : Ioane, Hunt ? Inferior to BB and RM IMO
2nd Five : PUJ, Nankivell, TUJ ? -
