NZ v Australia Test #2
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<p>We are getting fucked really, really hard. </p>
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<p>Yep, outclassed.</p>
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<p>My outside hopes/dreams of a series win were toast once Taylor and Santner were ruled out. Shame it wasn't a winning note for McCullum to retire on too.</p> -
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<p>In this instance Henry. Otherwise Craig or Santner.</p>
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<p>While Southee can score runs faster, I reckon Boult could occupy the crease longer...</p>
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<p>Though Southee's batting is far less relevant than his apparent inconsistency with the ball these days. Did someone mention the idea of Wasim or Waqar helping out with the bowlers? </p>
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<p>Yeah that was me.</p>
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<p>I suppose with Southee it depends on the situation, in this case yeah you're right more of a grafter would have been a better bet but it's rearranging deck chairs on the titanic or whatever that cliché is.....</p> -
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<p>Yep, outclassed.</p>
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<p>My outside hopes/dreams of a series win were toast once Taylor and Santner were ruled out. Shame it wasn't a winning note for McCullum to retire on too.</p>
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<p>Taylor definitely but Santner ?????</p> -
Home and away, the Aussies have dominated the play. We've had moments and sure there may be a couple of highlights with Taylor's double and Baz's world record, but that quickly fades when you lose the match/series. <br><br>
Whereas a test like Bellerive 2011 and the team bowling and fielding display in the first innings and Bracewell's match winning spell will be and are more memorable. -
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<p>Taylor definitely but Santner ?????</p>
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<p>neither would have changed the result given the performance of everyone else. But i get the feeling Santner is already a better spinner than our other options, and at least seems to be able to bowl dot balls if required. Can bat a bit too.</p>
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<p>Southee at 8 is a joke. Southee in the team at all is starting to look shakey. </p> -
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<p>Taylor definitely but Santner ?????</p>
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<p>Firstly, I said "hopes/dreams" of a win - not a dead certainty. :)</p>
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<p>Secondly, Santner has a bit more about him as a bowler than Craig I reckon. Especially once the Aussies took to Craig at the Gabba, they've never played against him with any respect, and Craig hasn't been able to do anything to change that.</p>
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<p>To be fair, I also wasn't expecting our wicket taking options to rely on the third change bowler bowling short stuff.</p>
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<p>BCs have struggled with bat and ball really</p>
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<p>BCs have struggled with bat and ball really</p>
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<p>When that happens you're likely to lose.</p>
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<p>I get the feeling that Santner gets more love on this forum than he deserves. Not saying he 's not gonna develop into a very good player but he's hardly "got the runs on the board" so to speak.</p> -
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<p>When that happens you're likely to lose.</p>
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<p>I get the feeling that Santner gets more love on this forum than he deserves. Not saying he 's not gonna develop into a very good player but he's hardly "got the runs on the board" so to speak.</p>
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<p>you only have to be better than the alternatives. </p> -
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<p>you only have to be better than the alternatives. </p>
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<p>That's particularly pertinent especially when discussing BC spinners but we went into the first test with a spinner and got hammered but went into this with four seamers and look to be on the way to a sound beating. He's hardly the messiah.</p> -
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<p>That's particularly pertinent especially when discussing BC spinners but we went into the first test with a spinner and got hammered but went into this with four seamers and look to be on the way to a sound beating. He's hardly the messiah.</p>
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<p>Who said he was... Have you been refining your knee jerking over at stuff nation? :)</p>
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<p>To beat the Strayans every last ounce of 'getting it right' has to be found from somewhere.</p> -
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<p>Who said he was... Have you been refining your knee jerking over at stuff nation? :)</p>
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<p>To beat the Strayans every last ounce of 'getting it right' has to be found from somewhere.</p>
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<p>You seemed to imply it to me when you put him in the same bracket as Taylor.</p> -
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<p>You seemed to imply it to me when you put him in the same bracket as Taylor.</p>
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<p>"My <strong>outside hopes/dreams </strong>of a series win<strong> </strong>were toast once Taylor and Santner were ruled out."</p>
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<p>(i.e. even with them). Taylor = world class. Santner = better than the alternatives + that dreaded "potential" tag.</p>
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<p>I crapped on about 9/52 and 188 in the Tests before Christmas, but we needed a few performances along those lines.</p> -
<p>I didn't break down every individual word I guess, just not sure how a guy with a first class bowling average of 52 deserves a mention but I may be proven wrong.</p>
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<p>Henry is a pretty handy batsman but I think he has the Mark Craig touch of a lot of not outs. I think Southee has the most talent but the least application.</p>
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<p>As others have mentioned of more concern is his bowling.</p> -
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<p>I've been a slack bastard at following the domestic cricket this season. Anyone standing out as a decent opener in the four dayers? (he asks with hope)</p>
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<p>Well, Jeet Raval scored a double ton against Otago in this current round. But his last ten scores before that were all under 30, so...</p>
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<p>Ben Smith is getting a bit of chat. The cricketer, not the rugby player. The All Black rugby player, of course, not the shitty Otago/BOP clothing label guy. But we're not talking about them anyway.</p> -
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<p>That's particularly pertinent especially when discussing BC spinners but we went into the first test with a spinner and got hammered but went into this with four seamers and look to be on the way to a sound beating. He's hardly the messiah.</p>
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<p>holy fuck, do you type shit out just to "hear" yourself? It was explained to you above why we thought he might have made a difference. You've ignored it and basically gone down the "he's not Warne, so who cares" path. </p>
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<p>His average makes fuck all difference when the reason given was i thought he would be able to bowl economically and create wickets through pressure, something almost all our bowlers have failed to do this summer, most especially Craig. </p> -
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<p>I didn't break down every individual word I guess, just not sure how a guy with a first class bowling average of 52 deserves a mention but I may be proven wrong.</p>
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<p>Henry is a pretty handy batsman but I think he has the Mark Craig touch of a lot of not outs. I think Southee has the most talent but the least application.</p>
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<p>As others have mentioned of more concern is his bowling.</p>
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<p>The incumbent test spinner didn't deserve a mention? The incumbent spinner who the current coach & selectors still dropped Mark Craig for - even with his first class bowling average of 52.</p>
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<p>I recall people mentioning that about Southee too...</p>
