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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:
I'll just put this here...
Ignoring the elephant in the room (I'll await the arrival of SammyC or Canerbry ... or for the ghost of Phooey to arise ...):
- Where from?
- any idea how they calculate?
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@booboo said in Super Rugby News:
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:
I'll just put this here...
Ignoring the elephant in the room (I'll await the arrival of SammyC or Canerbry ... or for the ghost of Phooey to arise ...):
- Where from?
- any idea how they calculate?
1 From USA.
2 This is what they say on their website:Designed by a MIT economist, Rugby Vision (RV) is a suite of statistical models that predicts outcomes for major rugby competitions. For each game, RV calculates the expected score margin and the probability of each team winning. RV also calculates the probability of each team obtaining various milestones in a tournament. For more on RV’s methods, see our Rugby World Cup overview.
On that RWC page they say this:
Like most future events, it is impossible to know for certain who will win the 2015 Rugby World Cup, but we can estimate probabilities of various outcomes occurring. We do this by building a rating system for international rugby matches and using these ratings to estimate expected score margins (like who will win and by how much.) We can then characterize uncertainty around these predictions. In the following analysis, I use the rugbyvision.com algorithm to rate teams. This scheme is an Elo-type system specifically designed to represent international rugby games. The Elo system, named after Arpad Elo, was originally invented to rank chess players and is now used in various other games and sports. In the Elo system, ratings points are based on past performances and differences in ratings points reflect relative strength. Our rugbyvision.com ratings employ a different system to that used for the official world rugby (formerly International Rugby Board) ratings, so our rankings differ from the official ones.
I've seen more of these kind of predictions v outcomes ratings based on algorithms, and they always seem to have strange rankings. In this one, only one of the winners of the four major competitions in 2017 (Aviva Premiership, Super Rugby, Pro12 and Top 14) is the highest ranked team of their competition.
Edited to add that it is also odd that they use the predictions & results of the unfinished European competitions (12 games Premiership, 10-12 games Pro 12 & 14 games Top 14), instead of the data of finished 2016-2017 competitions.
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Look at the mighty Scots. 6 and 11 when they only have two teams.
Eat your fucken heart out Krasny Yar ( sounds like a bounty hunter from Star Wars )
Shit thread. When does the 20/20 start?
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How can Glasgow be ahead of Saracens ?
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I'm cool with the list, because a team that doesn't even exist is ahead of the Waratahs and the Reds.
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This is the Jaguares squad for the 2018 SR season. Apart from a new Head Coach, former Wallabies assistant coach Mario Ledesma, it looks like they also have quite a few new players.
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Five of last year's 8 props don't return this year. I know two of them are now playing in France (Ramiro Herrera/Stade Francais and Facundo Gigena/Leicester Tigers) and one in England (Lucas Noguera Paz/ Bath).
Also one of the three hookers from the 2017 isn't coming back. So a lot of new faces in their frontrow. Creevy still there though. Two of their six 2017 locks are no longer in the squad, neither are two loosies. Also notable absences from the squad are wingers Santiago Cordero and Manuel Montero (the latter having terminated his contract with the Argentinian union to return to his club Pucarà in the Argentine domestic competition Top12).The names with an asterisk are Argentina XV players who have been invited to train with the squad during the first week of preseason.
Cubelli has returned to Argentina from the Brumbies. Among the new players are former Pumas 7s players Sebastián Cancelliere (replacing Montero) and Santiago Álvarez Fourcade.
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@booboo said in Super Rugby News:
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:
I'll just put this here...
Ignoring the elephant in the room (I'll await the arrival of SammyC or Canerbry ... or for the ghost of Phooey to arise ...):
- Where from?
- any idea how they calculate?
and what are the comedy blues doing in the top 58???
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From the All Blacks website.
2018 pre-season schedule
Chiefs v Blues, 4pm, Friday 2 February, Te Kuiti
Crusaders v Hurricanes, 5.30pm, Friday 2 February, Greymouth
Highlanders v Waratahs, 6pm, Friday 2 February, Queenstown
Brisbane Global Rugby Tens (all teams), 9-10 February, Brisbane
Brumbies v Chiefs, Wednesday 14 February (time TBC), Sunshine Coast
Highlanders v Crusaders, 6pm, Thursday 15 February, Waimumu
Hurricanes v Blues, time TBC, Thursday 15 February, Auckland -
Sky Television has confirmed sports journalist, broadcaster and commentator Rikki Swannell will join its play-by-play team for the 2018 Super Rugby season.
Swannell's first match is scheduled to be the Crusaders and Waratahs on May 12.
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11975472
I wonder if this would've happened if Auckland weren't a shambles?
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@kiwimurph Don't know if Sauni would end up better than their three though? Apasi is pretty highly rated isn't he?
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I guess any schoolboy rep is a 'potential AB'....
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So looks like he was living in Oz, already in their system, yet came back for one year and made the U20s.
And he's happy to play for whoever of NZ, Oz and Samoa wants him - hmmm, I think we can take a pass on this guy anyway.
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@tim said in Super Rugby News:
@kiwimurph Don't know if Sauni would end up better than their three though? Apasi is pretty highly rated isn't he?
From what i've seen Apisai is more journeyman than star. He is still young though and now has a clearer path to gametime than at the Canes so i'll give him that.
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Meh, not really concerned with losing him.
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No big loss here. Apasai is a lot better player, I doubt JP wld have been an NPC player.
This just happens to be a case out of blue and no way he Cld see himself cracking a super squad inNZ in the foreseeable future -
Not quite super rugby, but I couldn’t be bothered starting a new thread.
George Smith in the gun. A friend of a friend (rugby player) was arrested a few years ago and (seriously) it led to the resignation of the coach. Pretty serious about their discipline over here so I’m watching this one with interest...
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@tim I think Hodgson retired, very young though, what about McCalman? A couple of quality rugby players to not have a gig. I'd be happy if the Chiefs took either.
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I've been thinking about what the Highlanders will do post Sopoaga, and I think their best short term option is to hunt a decent 10 from overseas. I just don't see anyone in NZ at the moment, ready strategically to step into a starting role. Josh Ioane has a similar game to Lima, but I feel he's some way off yet. Time for the management team to dust off the cheque book, and to sign someone with a bit of experience.
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@southernmann Mitchell Hunt? Ihaia West?
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@southernmann Isn't Marty Banks only on a one year contract at Trevisio?
Otherwise your best bet might be Gatland.
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@southernmann said in Super Rugby News:
I've been thinking about what the Highlanders will do post Sopoaga, and I think their best short term option is to hunt a decent 10 from overseas. I just don't see anyone in NZ at the moment, ready strategically to step into a starting role. Josh Ioane has a similar game to Lima, but I feel he's some way off yet. Time for the management team to dust off the cheque book, and to sign someone with a bit of experience.
Starting to understand why the Blues have struggled eh?
I hear that Cipriani will be looking for a new gig
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Experience is overrated. That is how you end up with Chris Noakes as your 10.
By 2019 Josh Ioane and Fletcher Smith would have had another year in the setup.
I agree Mitchell Hunt would be a very likely and very good target though - Highlanders and Ta$man have a very close relationship - isnt Mitchell Drummond's old man ( Ta$man family) on the board of the Highlanders?
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@kiwimurph yep, it's not as if Sopoaga was Mr Experience when he took the reigns. Ioane, step on up!
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@centreman For the blues...
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Sure Sopoaga was only 19 when he first arrived, but from memory he had two years playing alongside Colin Slade. While his two deputies in 2018 will have a similar experience, they don't quite possess the same level of skill that Sops does. I would be interested in Mitchell Hunt, but apart from him I can't see anyone in NZ that I would happily see running the cutter. The young Blues first five would be worth stealing, but if that's not a guaranteed win.
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@southernmann said in Super Rugby News:
The young Blues first five
Which one? Hands off Plummer, BTW!
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@tim I assumed @SouthernMann meant Perofeta.
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Gatland is only on a one year deal so would like be available for the Highlanders in 2019 with Black/Perofeta/presumably Plummer at the Blues. I'm not sure about the all-round game of Gatland though - he has next to no running game from what i've seen.
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As much as I love the Canes winning, I would be pissed off if they started signing "experienced" overseas players to the detriment of NZ rugby in an effort to be the strongest club. Screw that, we should be using Super rugby to test our local talent to see if they have what it takes to make the step up for test level.
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@stargazer said in Super Rugby News:
@tim I assumed @SouthernMann meant Perofeta.
Yip, that's the one I would like to see down here. Who ever ends up in that jersey in 2019 needs to be a strong runner and passer. A traditional first five wouldn't work trying to play running rugby, like how the Highlanders want to play.
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby News:
Not quite super rugby, but I couldn’t be bothered starting a new thread.
George Smith in the gun. A friend of a friend (rugby player) was arrested a few years ago and (seriously) it led to the resignation of the coach. Pretty serious about their discipline over here so I’m watching this one with interest...
Jeez that early 00s Brumbies team has it in for cabbies aye.
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I'm passionate about my highlanders and Sopoaga leaving is a BIG problem. Main reason is that at 26 he has some time left, bfa and Aaron will be gone after WC which leaves us vunerable, Lima would have helped being there.
For me there are good you 10s out there. Josh Ioane Cld be the answer I think long term, Fletcher (having watched since schools) has reached his potential I think. For me I elf go after Blues 10s, either 1. Perofeta (a better Lima imo) or Plummer. I would imagine they'll keep one with Otere around and the other will leave.
Also keep an eye of Tiaan Falcon and how he goes st super level, he looks good but is stuck behind Mackenzie.
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Heard a rumour that the highlanders have been speaking to Damien Mackenzie about signing for 2019. How long is he contracted to the chiefs for?
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@sammyc Apparently until the end of this season:
The Super Rugby sensation turned down offers from other Kiwi franchises, understood to be the Blues and Crusaders, in favour of signing on in Hamilton for a further two years, till the end of the 2018 campaign.