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thing is, if there is any medical reasons for prescribed steroids or similar, the NZRU medical team should have known about it, and would surely have applied for an exemption or done whatever they need to do to prevent it getting to this, although I guess he could have seen a Dr. outside of the NZRU, but again, if he has prescribed something surely knowing who PT is (as a Dr. would I expect as part of the process of finding out about, job, family history etc) advise him what is being prescribed is a banned substance.
It certainly doesnt sound very good at all, hopefully there is a reasonable explanation, but I suspect we are unlikely to find out much leaving everyone to speculate.
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@rotated yeah, that was my thought too. Some kind of treatment for reduced fertility without even giving a thought to the consequences for PED tests. If that was the case then poor bugger, a choice between your sport / livelihood and having a family is not a position anyone would wish for.
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:
It certainly doesnt sound very good at all, hopefully there is a reasonable explanation, but I suspect we are unlikely to find out much leaving everyone to speculate.
When he gets a ban or a hearing is scheduled, we'll find out. That is public I understand
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@nzzp dunno if it is that straight forward, unless he has also broken the law, if it is an employment issue, and one that relates to some personal issue and something prescribed by his Dr, unless he wants it released, we may not find out.
Yes he may get a ban, yes he may lose his NZR contract, but doesnt mean we will find out what or why he took what he did.
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:
@nzzp dunno if it is that straight forward, unless he has also broken the law, if it is an employment issue, and one that relates to some personal issue and something prescribed by his Dr, unless he wants it released, we may not find out.
Yes he may get a ban, yes he may lose his NZR contract, but doesnt mean we will find out what or why he took what he did.
Doesn't it get taken away from NZRugby if they test positive?
Some itneresting case histories here:
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more info here:
Further to these sanctions, an athlete who has been found guilty of an Anti-Doping Rule Violation is often exposed to a level of media attention that can result in permanent damage to their reputation. This can mean stories on the TV news, in newspapers, on social media such as Facebook and Twitter which, in cases of deliberate cheating, could lead to you being the subject of public contempt.
Looks like Rugby is on the list, so they are doing the testing for the NZRU. So should be public once the test is positive
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Rugby union related anti-doping decisions (not necessarily the procedures) are public and published here:
http://nzrugby.co.nz/what-we-do/regulations/anti-doping
This list doesn't look up-to-date.Decisions relating to other sports (including rugby league) are published here: http://www.sportstribunal.org.nz/decisions/all-decisions/search
The applicable anti-doping rules:
Sports Anti–Doping Rules 2017 (pdf)
NZ Rugby Union Anti-Doping Regulations 2012 (pdf) -
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby News:
Wonder why that release is out now, when they knew in November.
Not impressed.
Media get shit for releasing stories early based on heresay just for a few clicks then get shit for releasing something far too late for @nzzps liking. They just can't win.
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@MN5 said in Super Rugby News:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby News:
Wonder why that release is out now, when they knew in November.
Not impressed.
Media get shit for releasing stories early based on heresay just for a few clicks then get shit for releasing something far too late for @nzzps liking. They just can't win.
The media isn't releasing anything here. It's a joint statement by the union and player's association about something they were aware of months ago. They've released this statement because a media outlet has reported it. What bit of that confuses you?
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@MN5 said in Super Rugby News:
Media get shit for releasing stories early based on heresay just for a few clicks then get shit for releasing something far too late for @nzzps liking. They just can't win.
Not the media I am having a crack at here. NZRU knew he failed a test last year, sent him home, and blew it off as 'personal reasons'. Now we get a press release, when Super is about to start? FFS, he was provisionally suspended - that you have to tell people about.
There better be a good story behind activley misleading us punters (and the media by the look)
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby News:
@MN5 said in Super Rugby News:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby News:
Wonder why that release is out now, when they knew in November.
Not impressed.
Media get shit for releasing stories early based on heresay just for a few clicks then get shit for releasing something far too late for @nzzps liking. They just can't win.
The media isn't releasing anything here. It's a joint statement by the union and player's association about something they were aware of months ago. They've released this statement because a media outlet has reported it. What bit of that confuses you?
I haven't read enough to even contemplate answering that but I took the opportunity to make a quip and got an upvote out of it. Job done.
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@nzzp you do get the feeling there is more to it, which is why the 'personal reasons' story was given in November, if not, it will just add to the list of poor decisions made by the NZRU last year...
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:
@nzzp you do get the feeling there is more to it, which is why the 'personal reasons' story was given in November, if not, it will just add to the list of poor decisions made by the NZRU last year...
Yep, but it better be a good story.
There is a massive difference between not answering questions and actively misleading people. 'personal reasons' means give people some space. Provisionally suspended means that shit better be talked about publicly, and people best be honest.
I'm pretty disappointed with NZRU based on that press release.
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby News:
Wonder why that release is out now, when they knew in November.
Not impressed.
"Patrick is working hard to identify the source of the Specified Substance"
If you haven't identified it in two months I don't like his chances.
But radio silence is the best course of action here from Patty. Most high profile violations in the past decade have occurred by individual athletes (cycling, sprinting, tennis etc) or es mass at individuals teams and they make the mistake of coming out and making a bigger deal than necessary in the media.
If Patty is taking the NFL/MLB approach of just making as little noise as possible - good for him.
Perhaps the NZRU were a little burned about the Smith thing where they perhaps hung him out a bit too much earlier in the year.
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and this is why transperancy is a good idea (where possible) to avoid speculation, minimise anger and frustration, which is where you hope there is a valid reason for the way it has been handled.
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:
and this is why transperancy is a good idea (where possible) to avoid speculation, minimise anger and frustration, which is where you hope there is a valid reason for the way it has been handled.
From Stuff
Even now, media are being cautioned that the situation remains of a deeply personal nature and to proceed in a sensitive fashion.Just sounds weird, but there had better be a good explanation somewhere down the line.
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This type of procedures is of a legal nature and it's confidential until a final decision has been made. In legal procedures, it's completely normal that no information is provided when they are still gathering "evidence" or other data relevant to the case.
The player, his manager or the NZR don't owe anyone information until there is a final outcome. People - particularly the lack-of-quality-NZ-media - are always jumping to conclusions, often the wrong ones, whether the parties involved say something or not. If they are genuinely looking for the source of the forbidden substance, that can take time, especially if it may be a case of contamination or medical intervention. If there is something of a "deeply personal nature" - and for now there is no reason to doubt that - then being patient should be the normal reaction. If afterwards it appears that the NZR or anyone else has unjustifiably withheld info, then deal with that afterwards.
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OK, so I wear an anorak and surf the internet naked.
Notification and reporting starting on p87 of the PDF. Looks like public disclosure is optional for NZ Rugby, and only with the permission of the athlete until they are confirmed to have broken the rules. Interesting information on 'minor' breaches though - could be the case here.
14.1.5 Confidentiality
The recipient organizations shall not disclose this
information beyond those Persons with a need
to know (which would include the appropriate
personnel at the applicable National Olympic
Committee, National Federation, and team in a
Team Sport) until the Anti-Doping Organization
with results management responsibility has
made Public Disclosure or has failed to make
Public Disclosure as required in Article 14.3.14.3 Public Disclosure
14.3.1 The identity of any Athlete or other Person who is
asserted by an Anti-Doping Organization to have
committed an anti-doping rule violation, may be
Publicly Disclosed by the Anti-Doping Organization
with results management responsibility only
after notice has been provided to the Athlete or
other Person in accordance with Article 7.3, 7.4,
7.5, 7.6 or 7.7, and to the applicable Anti-Doping
Organizations in accordance with Article 14.1.2.14.3.3 In any case where it is determined, after a hearing
or appeal, that the Athlete or other Person did not
commit an anti-doping rule violation, the decision
may be Publicly Disclosed only with the consent
of the Athlete or other Person who is the subject
of the decision. The Anti-Doping Organization with
results management responsibility shall use
reasonable efforts to obtain such consent, and
if consent is obtained, shall Publicly Disclose the
decision in its entirety or in such redacted form14.3.6 The mandatory Public Reporting required in
14.3.2 shall not be required where the Athlete
or other Person who has been found to have
committed an anti-doping rule violation is a
Minor. Any optional Public Reporting in a case
involving a Minor shall be proportionate to the
facts and circumstances of the case.
Therapeutic Use Exemptions | Sport Integrity Commission
