ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’
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@gt12 said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@victor-meldrew said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
Conrad Smith. He looked the real deal at 13 from his debut in '04 against Italy and nailed down the 13 jersey for 10 years once Tana the Captain retired.
I watched him play for NZ Universities and he was easily the best player on the park. He was so skinny that we all said something along the lines of ‘if that guy could put on 10 kegs he’ll be the starting center for the ABs’. I’ve never seen a center who just glided along like that as I was too young to see Robertson.
Robertson arrived fully-formed as well. He was similar to Conrad but probably faster and a bit more skilful with the boot.
No disrespect to Frank Bunce, Tana and co, but these two were easily the best 13's I've seen in Black
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@victor-meldrew said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
Conrad Smith. He looked the real deal at 13 from his debut in '04 against Italy and nailed down the 13 jersey for 10 years once Tana the Captain retired.
Snakey was a bit in and out of the team between 04-07. Remember Henry went back to Mils and played him at centre in a number of key matches. Then Ice was used also.
His real emergence coincided with Nonu’s - in 2008 and beyond.
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@act-crusader said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
Snakey was a bit in and out of the team between 04-07. Remember Henry went back to Mils and played him at centre in a number of key matches. Then Ice was used also.
The era of the World-beating Rotation Policy...?
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@victor-meldrew said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@act-crusader said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
Snakey was a bit in and out of the team between 04-07. Remember Henry went back to Mils and played him at centre in a number of key matches. Then Ice was used also.
The era of the World-beating Rotation Policy...?
Even so, guys like Mauger, Mils, McAllister and even Ice still racked up a big number of tests.
Snakey only played 2 tests in 04, 4 in 05, 2 in 06 and 4 in 07 (that included Portugal and Romania)
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@act-crusader said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@victor-meldrew said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@act-crusader said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
Snakey was a bit in and out of the team between 04-07. Remember Henry went back to Mils and played him at centre in a number of key matches. Then Ice was used also.
The era of the World-beating Rotation Policy...?
Even so, guys like Mauger, Mils, McAllister and even Ice still racked up a big number of tests.
Snakey only played 2 tests in 04, 4 in 05, 2 in 06 and 4 in 07 (that included Portugal and Romania)
Fascinating. Did Mauger & Lucky ever play at 13? Did Conrad ever play at 12 or was he a specialist 13?
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@victor-meldrew said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@act-crusader said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@victor-meldrew said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@act-crusader said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
Snakey was a bit in and out of the team between 04-07. Remember Henry went back to Mils and played him at centre in a number of key matches. Then Ice was used also.
The era of the World-beating Rotation Policy...?
Even so, guys like Mauger, Mils, McAllister and even Ice still racked up a big number of tests.
Snakey only played 2 tests in 04, 4 in 05, 2 in 06 and 4 in 07 (that included Portugal and Romania)
Fascinating. Did Mauger & Lucky ever play at 13? Did Conrad ever play at 12 or was he a specialist 13?
Lucky played 3 games at 13.
Mauger had 2 games at 13. One of those was back in 2002 though.
Conrad played 1 game at 12 in 2008. The rest of his tests were at 13.
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@mikethesnow said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@canefan said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
Cullen hit the ground running
very, very quickly
He was the guy who immediately came to my mind when I saw the thread title...
Conrad got injured a lot early in his career, I vaguely remember him breaking his leg of all things.
If we could pretend Jonah didn't debut against France, he'd be up there.
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@dice said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@victor-meldrew said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@act-crusader said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@victor-meldrew said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@act-crusader said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
Snakey was a bit in and out of the team between 04-07. Remember Henry went back to Mils and played him at centre in a number of key matches. Then Ice was used also.
The era of the World-beating Rotation Policy...?
Even so, guys like Mauger, Mils, McAllister and even Ice still racked up a big number of tests.
Snakey only played 2 tests in 04, 4 in 05, 2 in 06 and 4 in 07 (that included Portugal and Romania)
Fascinating. Did Mauger & Lucky ever play at 13? Did Conrad ever play at 12 or was he a specialist 13?
Lucky played 3 games at 13.
Mauger had 2 games at 13. One of those was back in 2002 though.
Conrad played 1 game at 12 in 2008. The rest of his tests were at 13.
Mucking about with the midfield - pretty much an AB tradition since 2002...
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Though he's been mucked about by the selectors, ALB has been Mr Consistent and pretty near world class since his debut. Hard to recall a bad game from him in Black so I guess he could be considered to have arrived fully-formed.
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@chester-draws said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
I remember Waikato being well in the lead, only to be torn apart by Manawatu when in the second half a young first five came on. He was incredible. Literally turned a game around in 20 minutes. It was Aaron Cruden.
I also was at an All Black trial in Palmeston North when Norm Hewitt thought he would take on the very green opposition winger one on one. Only to be thrown to the ground like a toy. It was Jonah Lomu he was embarrassed by.
Jonah didn't exactly shine in his first* AB games.
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@dice said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@victor-meldrew said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@act-crusader said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@victor-meldrew said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@act-crusader said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
Snakey was a bit in and out of the team between 04-07. Remember Henry went back to Mils and played him at centre in a number of key matches. Then Ice was used also.
The era of the World-beating Rotation Policy...?
Even so, guys like Mauger, Mils, McAllister and even Ice still racked up a big number of tests.
Snakey only played 2 tests in 04, 4 in 05, 2 in 06 and 4 in 07 (that included Portugal and Romania)
Fascinating. Did Mauger & Lucky ever play at 13? Did Conrad ever play at 12 or was he a specialist 13?
Lucky played 3 games at 13.
Mauger had 2 games at 13. One of those was back in 2002 though.
Conrad played 1 game at 12 in 2008. The rest of his tests were at 13.
I don’t think he ever started at 2nd 5. I recall a test in 2008 that he replaced Nonu but then Kahui shifted to 2nd 5 and Conrad played at centre.
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@booboo said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@chester-draws said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
I remember Waikato being well in the lead, only to be torn apart by Manawatu when in the second half a young first five came on. He was incredible. Literally turned a game around in 20 minutes. It was Aaron Cruden.
I also was at an All Black trial in Palmeston North when Norm Hewitt thought he would take on the very green opposition winger one on one. Only to be thrown to the ground like a toy. It was Jonah Lomu he was embarrassed by.
Jonah didn't exactly shine in his AB games.
Shit no. Up there with Bridge as one of our worst wings ever.
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@mn5 said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@booboo said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@chester-draws said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
I remember Waikato being well in the lead, only to be torn apart by Manawatu when in the second half a young first five came on. He was incredible. Literally turned a game around in 20 minutes. It was Aaron Cruden.
I also was at an All Black trial in Palmeston North when Norm Hewitt thought he would take on the very green opposition winger one on one. Only to be thrown to the ground like a toy. It was Jonah Lomu he was embarrassed by.
Jonah didn't exactly shine in his AB games.
Shit no. Up there with Bridge as one of our worst wings ever.
Missed the word "first".
Quite frankly he was shit, many piles of shit,
against France in '94.Definitely not "fully formed'".
But feel free to pile in. I can take it.
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@act-crusader said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@dice said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@victor-meldrew said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@act-crusader said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@victor-meldrew said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@act-crusader said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
Snakey was a bit in and out of the team between 04-07. Remember Henry went back to Mils and played him at centre in a number of key matches. Then Ice was used also.
The era of the World-beating Rotation Policy...?
Even so, guys like Mauger, Mils, McAllister and even Ice still racked up a big number of tests.
Snakey only played 2 tests in 04, 4 in 05, 2 in 06 and 4 in 07 (that included Portugal and Romania)
Fascinating. Did Mauger & Lucky ever play at 13? Did Conrad ever play at 12 or was he a specialist 13?
Lucky played 3 games at 13.
Mauger had 2 games at 13. One of those was back in 2002 though.
Conrad played 1 game at 12 in 2008. The rest of his tests were at 13.
I don’t think he ever started at 2nd 5. I recall a test in 2008 that he replaced Nonu but then Kahui shifted to 2nd 5 and Conrad played at centre.
You guys are either complete AB Team geeks or have access to a bloody great database...
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@booboo said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@mn5 said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@booboo said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@chester-draws said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
I remember Waikato being well in the lead, only to be torn apart by Manawatu when in the second half a young first five came on. He was incredible. Literally turned a game around in 20 minutes. It was Aaron Cruden.
I also was at an All Black trial in Palmeston North when Norm Hewitt thought he would take on the very green opposition winger one on one. Only to be thrown to the ground like a toy. It was Jonah Lomu he was embarrassed by.
Jonah didn't exactly shine in his AB games.
Shit no. Up there with Bridge as one of our worst wings ever.
Missed the word "first".
Quite frankly he was shit, many piles of shit,
against France in '94.Definitely not "fully formed'".
But feel free to pile in. I can take it.
He did look lost in that first test, and took a bit to get going. But once he did wow
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@bobily2 said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@sparky said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
Carl Hayman.
This is before my rugby watching days, but didn't he debut back in 2001/02? He then only becsme (/showed he was) world class towards the end of 2004
Rookie TSF error.
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@victor-meldrew said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@act-crusader said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@dice said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@victor-meldrew said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@act-crusader said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@victor-meldrew said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@act-crusader said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
Snakey was a bit in and out of the team between 04-07. Remember Henry went back to Mils and played him at centre in a number of key matches. Then Ice was used also.
The era of the World-beating Rotation Policy...?
Even so, guys like Mauger, Mils, McAllister and even Ice still racked up a big number of tests.
Snakey only played 2 tests in 04, 4 in 05, 2 in 06 and 4 in 07 (that included Portugal and Romania)
Fascinating. Did Mauger & Lucky ever play at 13? Did Conrad ever play at 12 or was he a specialist 13?
Lucky played 3 games at 13.
Mauger had 2 games at 13. One of those was back in 2002 though.
Conrad played 1 game at 12 in 2008. The rest of his tests were at 13.
I don’t think he ever started at 2nd 5. I recall a test in 2008 that he replaced Nonu but then Kahui shifted to 2nd 5 and Conrad played at centre.
You guys are either complete AB Team geeks or have access to a bloody great database...
stats.allblacks.com is the cheat code.
