Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour
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@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
Reece's try was gold. One of the best of the season.
Amazing. He touched the ball 3 times in the movement. The speed with which he passed and got hit, then got back up in support was brilliant. Jordan's solo effort was also very well taken
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@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
I would start Scott Barrett over Retallick at the moment.
I thought Retallick was good in this test, and continues to improve. He made the same amount of tackles as Whitelock (in less minutes) and more carries/metres gained.
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@old-samurai-jack said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
Huge fan of Havili but he hasn't been good in the last few games. Time to try the young fella.
I’d move ALB to 12 and RI to 13. Reece has more than done enough to start. Then you can develop QT from the bench.
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@toddy said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
After reading comments, I would've thought that the AB forwards smashed Wales, but they did not.
Fairly average 40 minutes of rugby against Wales B. Beauden Barrett good, Savea fringe running very good (great tactic against rush defence), Whitelock very good, Papalii good.
ABs very lucky not to concede three cards. Barrett for the knock down, and Blackadder's shoulder charge (tucked his arm, contact shoulder on shoulder). The Welsh player led with his head, and tucked it, but we were lucky there.
Yeah, was wondering at the time if we were going to see a red for Laulala and a yellow for Blackadder. Shit technique from both of them that could have cost us with a different ref.
Was it really that bad technique though? Get your arm out to wrap, touch the head and you're off. The real issue is players lowering their head into contact... There has to be some responsibility.
Frankly, the big issue is the inconsistency. Wales 7 didn't try to wrap, it's really common in the close quarters to put the shoulder in with arms coming slightly later. Should have watched in real time, the split second nature would be far more apparent.
Finally, had no issues with the penalty on Red jumping into Jordie. Again, it's called sometimes, not always, which is the curse of modern rugby. The Boks flooded the landing area with players, most of whom had no realistic chance of catching the ball. Good rugby if you can get away with it, but really inconsistently reffed
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@frank said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@mikethesnow said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
Will write more tomorrow but great to be back watching Test rugby.
And this will rankle with the majority on here, but if he stays fit Blackadder could become an AB all time great
Akira has lost his starting 6 position me thinks.
Nowhere near as busy as Blackadder - who seems almost hyperactive.Busy without being very effective. Something like 7 tackles and two misses. Akira had stats like that a few games again and got slammed on here.
We were playing with three sevens out there, although Dalton is a big seven. Won’t work against better sides.
It was also notable when ST came on we started making gains in close, we need more players like that and if you a thing against Akira then Jacobson can also do it.
Blackadder has a good future ahead, but at seven.
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@kirwan said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@frank said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@mikethesnow said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
Will write more tomorrow but great to be back watching Test rugby.
And this will rankle with the majority on here, but if he stays fit Blackadder could become an AB all time great
Akira has lost his starting 6 position me thinks.
Nowhere near as busy as Blackadder - who seems almost hyperactive.Busy without being very effective. Something like 7 tackles and two misses. Akira had stats like that a few games again and got slammed on here.
We were playing with three sevens out there, although Dalton is a big seven. Won’t work against better sides.
It was also notable when ST came on we started making gains in close, we need more players like that and if you a thing against Akira then Jacobson can also do it.
Blackadder has a good future ahead, but at seven.
ESPN has Blackadder with 14 made, 1 missed, 2 turnovers.
Paps would probably top that as he was taken off with 12 made, no misses, 1 turnover.
I thought they did well as a team actually.
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@gt12 said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@kirwan said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@frank said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@mikethesnow said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
Will write more tomorrow but great to be back watching Test rugby.
And this will rankle with the majority on here, but if he stays fit Blackadder could become an AB all time great
Akira has lost his starting 6 position me thinks.
Nowhere near as busy as Blackadder - who seems almost hyperactive.Busy without being very effective. Something like 7 tackles and two misses. Akira had stats like that a few games again and got slammed on here.
We were playing with three sevens out there, although Dalton is a big seven. Won’t work against better sides.
It was also notable when ST came on we started making gains in close, we need more players like that and if you a thing against Akira then Jacobson can also do it.
Blackadder has a good future ahead, but at seven.
ESPN has Blackadder with 14 made, 1 missed, 2 turnovers.
Paps would probably top that as he was taken off with 12 made, no misses, 1 turnover.
I thought they did well as a team actually.
Espn has Akira with 0 tackles and 0 metres made despite the fact even Nisbett noticed him make a tackle that resulted in a turnover to the ABs.
So not sure of the accuracy of those stats.
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@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
When Havili got charged down, he received a slow, loopy pass from Perenara, and had to adjust positioning a little. Should not have gotten caught out though.
Yeah the speed of TJP's passing, or lack of it, stuffed up BB as well who would then give Havili hospital passes.
Weber may have been passing to other backs or back to forwards but there didn't seem to be an issue getting the ball out or hospital passes in his 20 or so minutes.I know he is often maligned, with good reason. But in general I thought TJ passed better in this game, his passes were better located and better timed for the most part
yes did not seem to spray, but still telegraphed and possibly even slower than Justin Marshall's.
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@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
Reece's try was gold. One of the best of the season.
Amazing. He touched the ball 3 times in the movement. The speed with which he passed and got hit, then got back up in support was brilliant. Jordan's solo effort was also very well taken
Jordan must have been watching old clips of Dougie Howlett.
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@crucial said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
Reece's try was gold. One of the best of the season.
Amazing. He touched the ball 3 times in the movement. The speed with which he passed and got hit, then got back up in support was brilliant. Jordan's solo effort was also very well taken
Jordan must have been watching old clips of Dougie Howlett.
Maybe, but that was out of the Jeff Wilson playbook for sure.
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@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
When Havili got charged down, he received a slow, loopy pass from Perenara, and had to adjust positioning a little. Should not have gotten caught out though.
Yeah the speed of TJP's passing, or lack of it, stuffed up BB as well who would then give Havili hospital passes.
Weber may have been passing to other backs or back to forwards but there didn't seem to be an issue getting the ball out or hospital passes in his 20 or so minutes.I know he is often maligned, with good reason. But in general I thought TJ passed better in this game, his passes were better located and better timed for the most part
On a slight tangent. Noticed an interesting defensive tactic with TJ starting way behind the defensive line and shooting up ahead into the midfield.
I get sending a shooter up but hadn't noticed said player starting so far back and timing his run like that.
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@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
I didn't read the game thread in real time. But post game I haven't really heard much talk about the ref. As it should be. I thought he had a decent game, of course the attitude of both teams probably made his day easier
Give it a few hours for the Welsh to wake up!
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@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
When Havili got charged down, he received a slow, loopy pass from Perenara, and had to adjust positioning a little. Should not have gotten caught out though.
Yeah the speed of TJP's passing, or lack of it, stuffed up BB as well who would then give Havili hospital passes.
Weber may have been passing to other backs or back to forwards but there didn't seem to be an issue getting the ball out or hospital passes in his 20 or so minutes.I know he is often maligned, with good reason. But in general I thought TJ passed better in this game, his passes were better located and better timed for the most part
On a slight tangent. Noticed an interesting defensive tactic with TJ starting way behind the defensive line and shooting up ahead into the midfield.
I get sending a shooter up but hadn't noticed said player starting so far back and timing his run like that.
TJ or someone else, worked well
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@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@tim said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
When Havili got charged down, he received a slow, loopy pass from Perenara, and had to adjust positioning a little. Should not have gotten caught out though.
Yeah the speed of TJP's passing, or lack of it, stuffed up BB as well who would then give Havili hospital passes.
Weber may have been passing to other backs or back to forwards but there didn't seem to be an issue getting the ball out or hospital passes in his 20 or so minutes.I know he is often maligned, with good reason. But in general I thought TJ passed better in this game, his passes were better located and better timed for the most part
On a slight tangent. Noticed an interesting defensive tactic with TJ starting way behind the defensive line and shooting up ahead into the midfield.
I get sending a shooter up but hadn't noticed said player starting so far back and timing his run like that.
Yes, this seemed like a tactic, instead of the 9 being a sweeper he was more employed to put pressure on the receiver, if he misses then not that much drama as the defensive line hasn't changed. Guess it just tests the fitness of that player as they are doing a lot of extra running.
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