Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour
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@machpants said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@machpants said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@stag said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
Surely going through to the next WC Whitelock will retain the captaincy
Gets my vote, he is decisive, clear, keeps pressure on.
Edit: oh I'm reading between the lines but you mean even if Cane returns? Yes, I'd still prefer Sam.Which Sam lol
ha! Big Sam.
Yeah totally. Cane is awesome, but Whitelock is less prone to injury and a better capt imo
Perhaps we can try different players with the captain's armband until we get it right? Worked at 12 & 13 for the last few years...
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I thought the ALB-Rieko centres combination looked infinitely better than Havili-ALB. In fact, I wonder when they are going to give up on the inside centre experiment with Havili, whose lack of directness offers no threat and disrupts the entire backline. I can see he was an acceptable stopgap but they really need to develop Tupea.
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@mrdenmore said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
I thought the ALB-Rieko centres combination looked infinitely better than Havili-ALB. In fact, I wonder when they are going to give up on the inside centre experiment with Havili, whose lack of directness offers no threat and disrupts the entire backline. I can see he was an acceptable stopgap but they really need to develop Tupea.
All of this.
Nice Super Rugby player all the same.
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@mrdenmore said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
I thought the ALB-Rieko centres combination looked infinitely better than Havili-ALB. In fact, I wonder when they are going to give up on the inside centre experiment with Havili, whose lack of directness offers no threat and disrupts the entire backline. I can see he was an acceptable stopgap but they really need to develop Tupea.
I m hopeful with Tupea , for no other reason than he looks like a genuine 12 , and we haven’t had that for a while
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@stag said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
Just how much has Calebs Clarke’s 7’s decision stymied his All Blacks career…
I back Caleb Clarke and Jack Goodhue to be back next year.
We are lucky to have so many quality players at the moment. I say lucky but it's down to the hard work of coaches from NZ grassroots to schools to academies to the NPC to Super franchises and the AB set-up. You make your own luck sometimes.
Just need a few more top-quality 9s and some Props with more complete skill sets.
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@mrdenmore said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
I thought the ALB-Rieko centres combination looked infinitely better than Havili-ALB. In fact, I wonder when they are going to give up on the inside centre experiment with Havili, whose lack of directness offers no threat and disrupts the entire backline. I can see he was an acceptable stopgap but they really need to develop Tupea.
Havili seems to be going backwards in form. That of course has the caveat that he looked his best playing Tonga, Fiji and the Wallabies.
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@antipodean said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@mrdenmore said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
I thought the ALB-Rieko centres combination looked infinitely better than Havili-ALB. In fact, I wonder when they are going to give up on the inside centre experiment with Havili, whose lack of directness offers no threat and disrupts the entire backline. I can see he was an acceptable stopgap but they really need to develop Tupea.
Havili seems to be going backwards in form. That of course has the caveat that he looked his best playing Tonga, Fiji and the Wallabies.
I really thought he did as well.
And it's not just the opposition, it's decision making and unforced error rate. he was good in those games as he ran straight, and opened up space outside him. Now he's playing like he's gunshy, and slipping off tackles all over the place.
I had high hopes - could have been a multiskilled 12, with passing and kicking, as well as some decent directness. Right now, though, I'd take Laumape over him any day ... and that's not going to happen.
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I wasn't quite as sold on the Papalii/Blackadder combo. No doubting their workrates but both were inaccurate at times at the breakdown giving away stupid penalties or missing cleans.
In general, the ABs were much more direct so that the props and locks were also more involved.
The midfield needs to be either ALB-Ioane or Tupaea-ALB.
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@bovidae said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
I wasn't quite as sold on the Papalii/Blackadder combo. No doubting their workrates but both were inaccurate at times at the breakdown giving away stupid penalties or missing cleans.
In general, the ABs were much more direct so that the props and locks were also more involved.
The midfield needs to be either ALB-Ioane or Tupaea-ALB.
Couldn't agree more bov, I really liked both Papali'i and Blackadder, but both are almost neither a 6 or 7, and not quite sure they have their roles absolutely worked out. And that is not a harsh criticism, just something minor.
I wouldn't mind seeing Tupaea/ALB midfield combo, as much as I like Havili, I not sure we not missing something there. -
@bovidae said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
I wasn't quite as sold on the Papalii/Blackadder combo. No doubting their workrates but both were inaccurate at times at the breakdown giving away stupid penalties or missing cleans.
In general, the ABs were much more direct so that the props and locks were also more involved.
The midfield needs to be either ALB-Ioane or Tupaea-ALB.
agree with this on both points
in fact i would add savea as well.as per usual his highlights reel is magnificent it what he does between that isnt.
ALB just seems to be stifled with with Havili there seems to be no flow -
@sparky But we need a 2nd five and Goodhue has played center mainly for the AB’s so who will he displace?. We need a genuine 2nd 5. Goodhue might not be any where near the player he was before. He was beaten for pace at center prior to his injury.
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@broughie said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@sparky But we need a 2nd five and Goodhue has played center mainly for the AB’s so who will he displace?. We need a genuine 2nd 5. Goodhue might not be any where near the player he was before. He was beaten for pace at center prior to his injury.
I know I’ve said this before but Peter umaga jenson should be in the squad in my opinion. Has the size and pace and runs nice lines
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@dan54 said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@bovidae said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
I wasn't quite as sold on the Papalii/Blackadder combo. No doubting their workrates but both were inaccurate at times at the breakdown giving away stupid penalties or missing cleans.
In general, the ABs were much more direct so that the props and locks were also more involved.
The midfield needs to be either ALB-Ioane or Tupaea-ALB.
Couldn't agree more bov, I really liked both Papali'i and Blackadder, but both are almost neither a 6 or 7, and not quite sure they have their roles absolutely worked out. And that is not a harsh criticism, just something minor.
I wouldn't mind seeing Tupaea/ALB midfield combo, as much as I like Havili, I not sure we not missing something there.I'd agree with that, but both are very green. How many times have Papili'i and Blackadder even started together, this might be first time??
If the AB's have Dalton or Sam Cane at 7, I think for now they lack a 6 who can play looser or tight as circumstances dictate tactically. Ioane looks the package including line-out ability but has yet to show he can play tighter in physical games.
Plus I wonder if both Sam Cane and Savea will retire internationally after the next RWC or within a year so after ... Fozzie no doubt wants to keep "nextgen" warm, else he could lose some real talent.
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Good impact off the bench for the 1st time this year.
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@stag said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
Only the Welsh would have a stadium with a roof that they leave open on the rain🙄 And what’s up with Barrett’s in play kicking, ever since he has come back that aspect of his play has been absolutely terrible.
Forced on them by the chicken little’s in the Welsh Government
Pathetic
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@family-man An option but he has to have a break out super rugby season to be noticed.
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@mikethesnow Yeah, mate - that was an absolute clown show. Roof open but get everyone in early so they can queue 10-deep at the stadium bar instead of being out in the pubs. Could have given a crossword puzzle as my vaccine pass.
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@machpants said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@tordah said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
That was an entertaining watch. Welsh always looked like they were barely hanging on in the first 60. I'm a bit annoyed at how stupid Lomax gave away the free kick with his three early engages, even after the ref explicitly told him not to. Laulala needs to work on his tackling technique. More wrappy-wrappy, less shoulder-fucky
Yeah, our Welsh poster was raging at half time how the ref had ruined the game, I assume buy not giving cards to beaudy and Blackadder and/or a red to nepo
Ding ding ding
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