All Blacks vs Springboks I
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@majorrage said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
and apply possibly the worst interpretation of advantages I've ever seen. For a knock on, when the advantage is 10 metres forwards with momentum, that's advantage over. Also, when the AB's have the ball in any spot in the opposition 22 .. never blow your whistle to go back for the penalty. Ever. Thats when holes exist which we want to take advantage. Sorry mate, you looked out of your depth with a complete lack of feel for the game.
EXACTLY. Lucky Mrs. Pakman was out with the abuse being hurled at the box.
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A few comments:
Boks loosies were better than us at breakdown. Really upset our rhythm.
ABs kept making half breaks but Boks seemed to have worked out how to block/disrupt the subsequent pass. Whatever happened to never pass to someone in a worse position? That's why a couple of times BBBR held on rather than going through with the rehearsed move.
There's a lot to like about Havili, but he doesn't seem good at straightening the line. That really aids the defence as ABs become lateral. Tuapea seems better at it.
My hunch is ABs got very wound up by 100th game nature of match and that tension led to poor skill execution. I expect a much freer performance next week.
A win's a win.
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I gotta say now I have actually seen the game on tv, that might have been rather good as a spectator. Very tense stuff. But not much mention of the Boks on here I notice, their forwards outplayed ours, (even Moody was outmuscled but Taylor I thought was good, kudos to Blackadder for tackling out wide even in the last key minute, still looks like a 6 to me), for the Boks Kolisi, Vermuelen and the locks stood out for me. Even Etzebeth, who when he used to play the ABS, had the impact of Sacha Cohen's Brüno Gehard, was powerful and energetic. Pollard had his usual can be flustered game, faf has swallowed too many hair products and hard to judge the rest of the backline as they were just there for the free seats. But back to Marx, how the hell does spray on the outside of his right boot make his leg instantly heal? Is he cybernetic?
Tactics were left in the shed:
Seriously, when we did to the Boks what they did to us all night, kick it behind them, they sure looked fragile. If the ball is greasy and your 9 and 10s are slow or near invisible (Beauden, until the last 5-10 minutes, and showed he can actually run and pass at speed) and your midfield has no impact and stops at 12, why keep trying to run it? I hardly saw Beuden or Rieko, BBBR had hardly any impact, SB toiled hard (and I was surprised he was replaced), Bridge wasn't quite as bad as I had been led to believe (still below par) and Jordie was not quite so perfect (but wow his kicking and clutch catch 90 seconds to go) but if we have such a slow passing halfback and the Boks are so happy to live offline we will never get that ball away. TJP, you can't start against that sort of line speed/living on the edge of offside team.But well done Boks, if you knew what to do with the ball apart from penalties I think you would have won. Yes you were a man down for a yellow card but that is a wing and you only use them once or twice a game.
Jordan was a fragile tinarse, but that is just the way he plays, was lucky a pass into nothingness was not important. Oh and two drops by Akira, I could understand the first but the second was unforgiveable. The ball must have been extra greasy, that is when you shelve your open running game and try option B. Which brings me to the bench.
DMac passed far quicker and directly than BB, Sotutu was huge, great tackling and seizing opportunities, Patrick was a quick-moving rock in defense and Weber passed quickly and well, and sniped, effortlessly finding a hole or two. Best bench I think I have seen this year (dishonorable lack of mention to Ofa who just isn't ready for this tempo or skill level yet).
Forcing the Boks to turn. The Boks really did not look good going backwards with the ball behind them, they really did not want the ball at all. But the lineout was their plaything, they got the scrum penalties and again, I thought they played really well to their strengths. And we let them. Stupid stupid play.
And this is not aimed at Jordie but his entering the line all the time off the set piece is damn obvious, we were a forward down at the start by continually putting a forward (usually Ardie) in the backs. Shit, they're paid to run and pass and find holes, trust them for once.
Where was the leadership, what happened to BBBR, I'm still worried about the tactics. When Plumtree at halftime reckons it is just speed to rucks I have to ask why you have a forward in the backline that you are not using...I am still worried about the tactics. -
@oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@booboo Springboks must cut out the kicking. All Blacks were there for the taking. Kwagga, Etsebeth and Fat Frans played really well. Hope they learn from this and improve on this performance.
That’s the only reason you stayed in the game. They were just playing force back. They weren’t there to play rugby. It was a disgrace to the game.
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@hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@booboo Springboks must cut out the kicking. All Blacks were there for the taking. Kwagga, Etsebeth and Fat Frans played really well. Hope they learn from this and improve on this performance.
That’s the only reason you stayed in the game. They were just playing force back. They weren’t there to play rugby. It was a disgrace to the game.
Meh, it's legal, is how everyone played not that long ago. So I think it's not great entertainment, but it's still rugby. The shit that really needs stamping on, is the cheating to get rests. Faking injuries is against the laws, and spirit, of the game. It's disgusting and the boks should be ashamed. But after ranting Rassie, I've realised they lying and faking are obviously fine for them. Rugby needs to play stoppage time like in game, if you're down, tough shit play carries on. Give them a few seconds to get playing, otherwise free kick to opposition. If it's a front row and scrum, then they have 30 seconds to either get him up or replace him.
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That was a really tough test match. Probably a harder test match to watch than play in!
It’s disappointing that our standards drop when we come up against such that is in your face with such physicality.
It shows that while we have made progress this year, we shone familiar frailties when faced with a side exerting a physical pressure game on us.
Perhaps the occasion of 100th test got to some players, especially ones who haven’t played the boks before.
You can say it is good that we won when playing poorly but the fact we knew what was coming and we didn’t counter it very well at all, shows that this side still has a way to go to be able to win 3 high pressure knockout games in 3 weeks if we want to regain the RWC.
I believe we will be better next week. The 100th match out of they way, we have experienced the boks and I am sure the debrief will be pretty brutal.
It will be a good test to see if we can learn, adapt and implement how we want to play next week.
Savea showed his inexperience at captaincy today and maybe his unsuitability as well. Turning down easy 3’s in a tight game where our lineout and attack isn’t working as well as it can, is criminal in my view.
Plus he is not asking enough of refs from what I saw. He may be a great leader during the week, which we don’t see but he wasn’t very good on the field today.
If I was George Bridge, I would that my union rep along to it to shield him from the fury that should be coming😀
Good to be renewing hostilities with the boks - i had forgotten how awful they are to play against at times!
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@stargazer Well said. A win against the World Champs without 2 of our best players. Great result.
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@african-monkey said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@stargazer Well said. A win against the World Champs without 2 of our best players. Great result.
I would've said 5 of our best players, Whitelock, Smith, Mounga, Cane, ALB. I would be confident in saying that we're building good depth if this team learns and adjusts for next week.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
A poor AB performance but we dogged a win when we really didn't deserve
So SA deserved to win?
Neither team deserved the win, but someone had to, was poor enough from us it won't paper over any cracks either.
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@majorrage said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Also, when the AB's have the ball in any spot in the opposition 22 .. never blow your whistle to go back for the penalty. Ever. Thats when holes exist which we want to take advantage. Sorry mate, you looked out of your depth with a complete lack of feel for the game.
Ha, I thought the exact thing st the time, most regs in the 22 or just outside just keep going until the other team infringes again or a try is scored, not this guy...lack of awareness of how to let a game flow, wanted to be I control, without knowing the boks were controlling the pace of the game.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
kudos to Blackadder for tackling out wide even in the last key minute, still looks like a 6 to me)
Blackadder is definitely primarily a 6 who can cover 7 and 8. I doubt he'd played any time at 7 for 2-3 years prior to Razor needing to run him there during Super rugby this year.
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I don't think I've felt those emotions since the 2011 final. Hope and anticipation early that descended into frustration fear and a sense we would lose the game. Getting our noses in front late and winning at the end with scarcely a moment to enjoy the victory. I hope that next week closer resembles my emotional ride during the 2015 final....
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
So how can we prepare for next week via selections? Not that many choices. I imaginge Foster would face a bit of pressure if he picks Bridge to start again but he did keep him on the paddock a bit longer than I expected.
He's not my favourite player and he had a shocker especially in the area of expertise in which he was picked.
But I'd kind of back him to sort that and keep him there as the Bok tactics aren't changing.
He should have been dragged last night, not Jordan, but I can see him playing again next week.
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@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Most disappointing thing for me was our set-piece.
Biggest mistake was not taking penalty goals when on offer, and building score board pressure.
Defence was pretty good.
Idea of going for the try was good then had to be continued as the Boks were under penalty pressure. Pretty sure the idea is to get a try ahead to make them play. They don't change if you are just a penalty ahead as we saw.
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@crucial said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Most disappointing thing for me was our set-piece.
Biggest mistake was not taking penalty goals when on offer, and building score board pressure.
Defence was pretty good.
Idea of going for the try was good then had to be continued as the Boks were under penalty pressure. Pretty sure the idea is to get a try ahead to make them play. They don't change if you are just a penalty ahead as we saw.
But kick our pens and we would have been up 8....
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
I assume Mo'unga will wear the 22 jersey next week; he only comes out of MIQ on Tuesday. Really a short prep time for a test match, even though his hotel room looks like half a gym on his instagram photos. The question is, who'll lose his spot. Surely not Jordie, so it will be between BB and Dmac.
If RM comes in.
DMac gives us better coverage on the bench than RM.
The latter starts or misses out for me.
