New Zealand under 20

ACT Crusader

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Nepia" data-cid="587085" data-time="1465718063">Cheers. Is that in the HD channels section or the other section? I had a look up and down but didn't see it but maybe I didn't go high enough.</blockquote>
 
In the non-HD channel section. Go to 507 then press red button. I think there were 3 other sports events on that time to choose from.

ACT Crusader

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Pot Hale" data-cid="587125" data-time="1465723959">In case it wasn't clear, or people thought I was being sarcastic, I actually meant what I said about NZ fans re weather.</blockquote>
 
NZ fans can't complain given we are the land of the long grey and white cloud....

Derm McCrum

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="ACT Crusader" data-cid="587146" data-time="1465725886">NZ fans can't complain given we are the land of the long grey and white cloud....</blockquote> Neither can Ireland - since we're the land of the as-far-as-the-eye-can-see everywhere cloud - 99.9% of the time. Not sure what happens in the other .1% - this yellow dot appears in the sky sometimes and I don't have to wear my vest.

Gary

I don't have much of a problem with our tight 5 at under 20 level being behind the rest as far as scrumming goes ~ this is something they work on for the next 5 years and we have a situation like lat night where All Black forwards can draw and pass to put guys in space.

Disgusted of TW

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Pot Hale" data-cid="587167" data-time="1465731111">Neither can Ireland - since we're the land of the as-far-as-the-eye-can-see everywhere cloud - 99.9% of the time. Not sure what happens in the other .1% - this yellow dot appears in the sky sometimes and I don't have to wear my vest.</blockquote>
 
I used to get on my mum's case about this. If she had to migrate to England in the 50s from an island to the west, sentencing me to decades of visiting said island, an island where the people have a deep love of music and stout, and speak in lilting accents, why couldn't it have been Jamaica?

Chris B.

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You know what I really really like about NZ fans more than anything else? 
They never, ever, ever complain about the weather or use it as a reason they didn't play well. 

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I'd rather that it had been that we were witty, intelligent and better looking than all others, but I guess beggars can't be choosers. :)

Derm McCrum

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Chris B." data-cid="587251" data-time="1465771450">I'd rather that it had been that we were witty, intelligent and better looking than all others, but I guess beggars can't be choosers. :)</blockquote> Look - you got the fucken number 1 team, if you think you're gonna get any more smoke blown up your behind, go fish somewhere else......

Chris B.

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Look - you got the fucken number 1 team, if you think you're gonna get any more smoke blown up your behind, go fish somewhere else......
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The smooth-talking Irish, with all their blarney... :)

Derm McCrum

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Chris B." data-cid="587297" data-time="1465776771">The smooth-talking Irish, with all their blarney... :)</blockquote> Phew - I wasn't sure if my reply was a little bit over the top....

leytonandamanda

Team to play Wales is- 
Shaun Stevenson, Caleb Makene, Patelesio Tomkinson, Jordie Barrett, Jordan Trainor, TJ Va'a, Sam Nock, Marino Mikaele-Tu'u, Mitchell Jacobson, Fin Hoeta, Hamish Dalzell, Quinten Strange, Sosefo Kautai, Leni Apisai (c), Ayden Johnstone. Reserves: Asafo Aumua, Sean Paranihi, Alex Fidow, Isaia Walker-Leawere, Luke Jacobson, Jonathan Taumateine, Stephen Perofeta, Jonah Lowe. 
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leytonandamanda

Thought Jordan trainor was poor in last game so would have liked Lowe to start 
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bobily

I thought there were rules that we had to start each of our players once, and there are a a few that we haven't started. Perhaps it's just that everyone needs to get some game time?
 
I thought Paranihi held up his end of the scrum reasonably well until Fidow gave in, so would have liked him to start ahead of Johnstone. Also disappointed not to see Hapauki Moala-Liava'a get a start.

Stargazer

They have changed the NZ starting side and Lowe comes on as a late injury replacement for Trainor:
 
This is the XV to play Wales:
 
1. Ayden Johnstone 2. Leni Apisai (c) 3. Sosefo Kautai 4. Quinten Strange 5. Hamish Dalzell 6. Fin Hoeata 7. Mitchell Jacobson 8. Marino Mikaele-Tuâ€™u
9. Sam Nock 10. TJ Vaâ€™a 11. Jonah Lowe 12. Jordie Barrett 13. Patelesio Tomkinson 14. Caleb Makene 15. Shaun Stevenson
 
Reserves: 16. Asafo Aumua 17. Sean Paranihi 18. Alex Fidow 19. Isaia Walker-Leawere 20. Luke Jacobson 21. Jonathan Taumateine 22. Stephen Perofeta 23. Malo Tuitama
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.allblacks.com/News/29313/do-or-die-for-nz-u20-against-wales'>http://www.allblacks.com/News/29313/do-or-die-for-nz-u20-against-wales</a>

tubbyj

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Ridiculous for two reasons: he is playing 12, not 10.
 
Last thing we want is for him to get played all over the show. He has all the skills to be a very good 12, can't we just let him focus on that? To me, it seems like, if he does well, he'd be the perfect kind of 12 to have outside of Beauden Barrett, eventually. Can help control the game and kick goals, as well as being another playmaker.
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HA Ha 
 
Beauden Barrett will never be the longterm starting 10 for the All Blacks. They will go Sopango when Cruden is injured. If he hasn't developed the skills to direct and fire a backline and set the tempo of the game after this long at the top level he never will. His biggest asset at 10 is his burst of acceleration that catches teams off guard, sadly as he gets older this will fade. He is a great supersub out wide though and can provide passable cover at 10 in a pinch but this is all he is going to be in regards to the All Blacks.
 
He could set a record though for the first All Black to reach 100 caps with 90-85% of them off the bench.

Stargazer

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HA Ha 
 
Beauden Barrett will never be the longterm starting 10 for the All Blacks. They will go Sopango when Cruden is injured. If he hasn't developed the skills to direct and fire a backline and set the tempo of the game after this long at the top level he never will. His biggest asset at 10 is his burst of acceleration that catches teams off guard, sadly as he gets older this will fade. He is a great supersub out wide though and can provide passable cover at 10 in a pinch but this is all he is going to be in regards to the All Blacks.
 
He could set a record though for the first All Black to reach 100 caps with 90-85% of them off the bench.
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Sopango? Is that a new player? Who's he playing for? :whistle:
 
Lima Sopoaga has only started at 10 once for the All Blacks and that was the only test he's ever played for the ABs. He did well, but one game at this level is not enough to say he's better at 10 for the ABs than Barrett. He may be better, but he needs to prove it first. I hope he gets a chance this weekend or next. And whether Sopoaga is better than Barrett or not, he won't "be the longterm starting 10 for the All Blacks" either, if Cruden stays fit and keeps on playing the way he currently does. Sopoaga may have to become better than Cruden first, if he wants regular game time in black. The question is, how long does he want to wait? And will only starting the "easy" games be enough to keep him happy and in NZ? Barrett's versatility and super-sub status may deprive Sopoaga of a spot on the bench, too (I think you're too negative about Barrett as a 10 by the way).
 
Anyway, things may be different again in a year or two. I don't see a new challenge for the All Blacks no. 10 jersey coming from Jordie Barrett. And also not from Damian McKenzie (as long as he keeps playing at 15). If Richie Mo'unga keeps developing the way he is at the Crusaders, he might be in the picture for the AB no. 10 spot for the next RWC. He's only in his first year of Super Rugby, but is leading the team around the park very well and is very good with the boot since they came back from SA. He's surprisingly mature for a 22 year-old rookie. If he doesn't get a bad 2nd year, I can see him compete for a spot in the 2017 EOYT squad. Geez, and people were worried after Carter, Slade, Taylor etc left the country ...

Bones

Pretty dodgy writing off a player's potential after less than a handful of seasons....I bet that Nonu will never amount to anything either...

bobily

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HA Ha 
 
Beauden Barrett will never be the longterm starting 10 for the All Blacks. They will go Sopango when Cruden is injured. If he hasn't developed the skills to direct and fire a backline and set the tempo of the game after this long at the top level he never will. His biggest asset at 10 is his burst of acceleration that catches teams off guard, sadly as he gets older this will fade. He is a great supersub out wide though and can provide passable cover at 10 in a pinch but this is all he is going to be in regards to the All Blacks.
 
He could set a record though for the first All Black to reach 100 caps with 90-85% of them off the bench.
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I did not say that Beauden Barrett would be the longterm starting 10, and I largely agree with you (though I think if he works on his weaknesses he could get there - I don't expect him to, though). Though I don't think he'd be willing to hang around long enough to reach 100 caps without ever securing a starting spot.

Stargazer

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Pretty dodgy writing off a player's potential after less than a handful of seasons....I bet that Nonu will never amount to anything either...
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I agree! NZ's depth (at 10, but also other positions) means that some players - who are good enough for a spot in the AB no. 10 jersey - still won't be regular starters or will even make the squad. That will force them to try harder and harder, to get better than the rest.
 
As long as Cruden, B.Barrett and Sopoaga keep pushing each other for that no. 10 jersey, they can only get better and better, and all have a chance to get a start at 10 (until age, injury and overseas' offers become a factor).
 
Add to that the up-and-comers like Damian McKenzie, Mo'unga and possible other young first-fives, and you have a wealth of players who can only push the level further up. 
 
I don't see any reason why B.Barrett couldn't still improve to the point where he'll become the incumbent no. 10. He's only 25 for heaven sake! (Sopoaga is a few months older, btw)
 
 
 
Hmmm, we've gone a bit off topic, haven't we?

Stargazer

12 minutes into the game, and Wales has already scored a try and two penalties. 11-0 to Wales and NZ has hardly touched the ball (except for some bad kicks).

Stargazer

First NZ points come from a good penalty kick from Barrett: 11-3 Wales after 19 minutes.

The Silver Fern

New Zealand under 20