Wallabies vs Springboks I
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@pakman said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@nta said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
What do ex-props know?!
Pretty much everything 🤷♂️
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Interesting points around cohesion and the effect on performance
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@bones said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@booboo huh, I never really realised he was hugely rated by Aussies, I thought all the grief he got was just because he was a dick.
Didnt help
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The Quade hate thing was somewhat amusing but probably deserved after the knee to Richie McCaw's head.
Tho in your collective role as Stoic Custodians Of The Game, you carried on with the booing long after it was probably necessary
After the whole "he doesn't defend in the front line!" got going, nobody appeared to have an issue with every other 10 doing the same once the value of counterattack opportunities was understood.
So it is a mixed bag.
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@nta said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
The Quade hate thing was somewhat amusing but probably deserved after the knee to Richie McCaw's head.
Tho in your collective role as Stoic Custodians Of The Game, you carried on with the booing long after it was probably necessary
After the whole "he doesn't defend in the front line!" got going, nobody appeared to have an issue with every other 10 doing the same once the value of counterattack opportunities was understood.
So it is a mixed bag.
For me the booing sort of ended up like calling out beeeeeeeaaaast, just the thing you do (yes kiwis did that in NZ). For most it was not malicious, just banter. Call yourself NZ rugby public enemy no 1, then you can't whine when you get treated like it.
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@nta said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
The Quade hate thing was somewhat amusing but probably deserved after the knee to Richie McCaw's head.
Tho in your collective role as Stoic Custodians Of The Game, you carried on with the booing long after it was probably necessary
After the whole "he doesn't defend in the front line!" got going, nobody appeared to have an issue with every other 10 doing the same once the value of counterattack opportunities was understood.
So it is a mixed bag.
The knee was the spark, but it continued because it had an effect on him. Home crowd shenanigans aren’t unique to us.
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@kirwan said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
The knee was the spark, but it continued because it had an effect on him
I think players expect a bit of shit to come their way and any supposed effect the booing had on Quade was more in the minds of the people doing it, based on whether he ended up playing well. More about his lack of consistency than any external factors. And if the rest of the Wallabies were putting in a poor performance, these things get exacerbated.
I seem to remember a game in Dunedin where he was playing and kicking pretty well despite the booing, and even some Kiwis were rolling their eyes at the crowd behaviour. We still lost, mind.
Home crowd shenanigans aren’t unique to us.
Prefer Ireland's method of dealing with the kicker - dead silence. Is it respectful? Is it off-putting? Could be both.
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I should add that I've never been Quade's biggest fan - but have a grudging respect for him based on a couple of interactions during our ill-fated dive into a National Rugby Championship.
I think this move by Rennie is more to protect Lolesio from the Boks than anything.
Hodge might have been the simpler option at 10.
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@machpants said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@nta said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Hodge might have been the simpler option at 10.
This was what I expected, Vs big bad boks
Would probably limit the Wallabies to a form of attack that the Boks would love tho, so perhaps it is a double-negative.
What Argentina and the Lions lacked was movement around and off the ball to create uncertainty for the Bok defense. Wallabies need to have a bit of subtlety and a shitload of support, because they don't have the pace to outrun them after any line breaks.
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@machpants said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@nta said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
The Quade hate thing was somewhat amusing but probably deserved after the knee to Richie McCaw's head.
Tho in your collective role as Stoic Custodians Of The Game, you carried on with the booing long after it was probably necessary
After the whole "he doesn't defend in the front line!" got going, nobody appeared to have an issue with every other 10 doing the same once the value of counterattack opportunities was understood.
So it is a mixed bag.
For me the booing sort of ended up like calling out beeeeeeeaaaast, just the thing you do (yes kiwis did that in NZ). For most it was not malicious, just banter. Call yourself NZ rugby public enemy no 1, then you can't whine when you get treated like it.
If you recall he was actually named Public Enemy No. 2, behind ...
... (Not at that stage Sir) Graham Henry.
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@nta said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
The Quade hate thing was somewhat amusing but probably deserved after the knee to Richie McCaw's head.
Tho in your collective role as Stoic Custodians Of The Game, you carried on with the booing long after it was probably necessary
After the whole "he doesn't defend in the front line!" got going, nobody appeared to have an issue with every other 10 doing the same once the value of counterattack opportunities was understood.
So it is a mixed bag.
We know where the line is.
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@nta said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@kirwan said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
The knee was the spark, but it continued because it had an effect on him
I think players expect a bit of shit to come their way and any supposed effect the booing had on Quade was more in the minds of the people doing it, based on whether he ended up playing well. More about his lack of consistency than any external factors. And if the rest of the Wallabies were putting in a poor performance, these things get exacerbated.
I seem to remember a game in Dunedin where he was playing and kicking pretty well despite the booing, and even some Kiwis were rolling their eyes at the crowd behaviour. We still lost, mind.
Home crowd shenanigans aren’t unique to us.
Prefer Ireland's method of dealing with the kicker - dead silence. Is it respectful? Is it off-putting? Could be both.
The times I was at the ground the booing always ended in laughter when directed at Quade, because we all knew it was part of the entertainment.
I dislike Ireland’s method because they’re so fucking smug and moral about it - and it’s a tactic now because they know it unnerves some players. In the vids thread we’ve had the Good, The Bad, and the Rugby pop up and the abuse from Irish spectators in that is off the charts nasty.
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@canefan said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Quade appeared to relish his bad boy persona, and that just added to the theatre for the crowd
He tried to, but think it really didn't work for him.
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Simple psychology
There is a "Quade" at every school or workplace in NZ. We know him well. He is that spoon you had to put up with or that part of your personality you don't like. He represented the quintessential NZ dork.
When he stepped over the mark, we all collectively went, "fucken knobhead!" because he, rightly or wrongly, represented this. -
@old-samurai-jack said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
"fucken knobhead!"
And yet, you don't boo Dane Coles?
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@booboo said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Quade appeared to relish his bad boy persona, and that just added to the theatre for the crowd
He tried to, but think it really didn't work for him.
Agreed. His problem was he said it didn't bother him, but based on his performances it clearly did. He definitely miscalculated that one
