Foster, Robertson, Rennie etc
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In my opinion some coaches are’nt destined to be successful but there are times several red flags that will stand out to wether things will go south .
1.Individual coaching record , i think we can all agree that was a concern from the time he was appointed to the assistant role to Hansen and part of that process segways nicely into my 2nd issue2.Because Foster was part of the previous regime , what part of a previously failed game plan would he bring to this current All Black team that would be so different than his predecessor ..?
The same voice is always an issue in my book , you would have to have a special mind to stimulate the same players , previously we had also seen errors in terms of individuals being played out of position ..and even more alarmingly anybody who knew a bit about Rugby could see the All Blacks were being pressured at breakdown which lead to ill discipline which meant the opposition have know worked out , hey if we hold the ball and create our own pressure it will be the All Blacks that fold .- Another area i always look to see what good coaches are up to is in and around development , who has Foster developed into a world class player …?.
Papalii and Blackadder come to mind , but they have really only got their opportunties because of injury .
Do us all a favour Foster and admit , you aint got the midas touch and move on
- Another area i always look to see what good coaches are up to is in and around development , who has Foster developed into a world class player …?.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Ian Foster has signed a two-year contract extension as All Blacks head coach through to the 2023 World Cup, the Herald can reveal. After much conjecture, the Herald understands New Zealand Rugby has moved to give Foster and his management team security as they prepare to lead the All Blacks for 14 weeks away from home. Foster's assistants John Plumtree, Brad Mooar, Scott McLeod and Greg Feek are expected to re-sign alongside Foster in the coming weeks.If his assistants are yet to sign or be offered deals, the NZRFU should not be extending those now
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@mn5 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Chris Rattue: All Blacks review of Foster appointment now needed
Opinion: Foster may turn things around, but decision to appoint him was clearly wrong.
Can someone give me their credit card details ? I can’t seem to read this article but I bet it’s awesome.
Rather than see the All Blacks' 2019 World Cup crash for what it was, that of a coaching regime which had lost its way, NZR turned inwards as it always has done, ignoring any popular wish and sticking with its mates.
It was almost as if they felt so superior that the incredible semifinal mauling at the hands of England didn't actually happen, that to break with the Steve Hansen regime would be an unfair insult to the great but overbearing coach.
That's how Ian Foster - Hansen's assistant - became head All Blacks coach.
That poor decision was the product of a sport which ignores its audience and appears out of touch with the people and the trends of the game. It is an empire which has gone soft.
And it is coming back to haunt them big time. Tactics and motivation are being exposed. Foster is being completely out-coached, and his team out-muscled.
NZR has been well and truly embarrassed on the world stage by the Foster appointment. He is making a mess of it. And it is hardly a surprise.
It was a very long time since Ian Foster had been a head coach, and he wasn't all that successful way back then.
Those who had done the tough head coach yards in the current era - particularly the people's favourite Scott Robertson, Dave Rennie and Jamie Joseph - were left on the sidelines.
All deserved the job over Foster, and all would be doing a better job than him. I have absolutely no doubt about that.
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@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Chris Rattue: All Blacks review of Foster appointment now needed
Opinion: Foster may turn things around, but decision to appoint him was clearly wrong.
Can someone give me their credit card details ? I can’t seem to read this article but I bet it’s awesome.
Rather than see the All Blacks' 2019 World Cup crash for what it was, that of a coaching regime which had lost its way, NZR turned inwards as it always has done, ignoring any popular wish and sticking with its mates.
It was almost as if they felt so superior that the incredible semifinal mauling at the hands of England didn't actually happen, that to break with the Steve Hansen regime would be an unfair insult to the great but overbearing coach.
That's how Ian Foster - Hansen's assistant - became head All Blacks coach.
That poor decision was the product of a sport which ignores its audience and appears out of touch with the people and the trends of the game. It is an empire which has gone soft.
And it is coming back to haunt them big time. Tactics and motivation are being exposed. Foster is being completely out-coached, and his team out-muscled.
NZR has been well and truly embarrassed on the world stage by the Foster appointment. He is making a mess of it. And it is hardly a surprise.
It was a very long time since Ian Foster had been a head coach, and he wasn't all that successful way back then.
Those who had done the tough head coach yards in the current era - particularly the people's favourite Scott Robertson, Dave Rennie and Jamie Joseph - were left on the sidelines.
All deserved the job over Foster, and all would be doing a better job than him. I have absolutely no doubt about that.
What an article, inspirational insight from the Bradman of sports writers.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Ian Foster has signed a two-year contract extension as All Blacks head coach through to the 2023 World Cup, the Herald can reveal. After much conjecture, the Herald understands New Zealand Rugby has moved to give Foster and his management team security as they prepare to lead the All Blacks for 14 weeks away from home. Foster's assistants John Plumtree, Brad Mooar, Scott McLeod and Greg Feek are expected to re-sign alongside Foster in the coming weeks.If his assistants are yet to sign or be offered deals, the NZRFU should not be extending those now
That quote said it would happen before they went on tour, so don't hold out much hope.
I can't find a source which confirms their re-appointment though, so there is some hope.
Assuming you can't get rid of Foster, I'd look for two or perhaps three new assistants:
Forwards: If Plums is the voice behind Ardie at 8, he should go. I like Coventry, who else is there?
Defence: Robertson started as a defense specialist, correct @Chris ? Who else?
Attack: Brown is the obvious one to try to get, but I don't think they can get him. Who else?
Scrum/set piece: How happy are we with Feek here? Ryan could be good here as well. -
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Ian Foster has signed a two-year contract extension as All Blacks head coach through to the 2023 World Cup, the Herald can reveal. After much conjecture, the Herald understands New Zealand Rugby has moved to give Foster and his management team security as they prepare to lead the All Blacks for 14 weeks away from home. Foster's assistants John Plumtree, Brad Mooar, Scott McLeod and Greg Feek are expected to re-sign alongside Foster in the coming weeks.If his assistants are yet to sign or be offered deals, the NZRFU should not be extending those now
That quote said it would happen before they went on tour, so don't hold out much hope.
I can't find a source which confirms their appointment though, so there is some hope.
Assuming you can't get rid of Foster, I'd look for two or perhaps three new assistants:
Forwards: If Plums is the voice behind Ardie at 8, he should go. I like Coventry, who else is there?
Defence: Robertson started as a defense specialist, correct @Chris ? Who else?
Attack: Brown is the obvious one to try to get, but I don't think they can get him. Who else?
Scrum/set piece: How happy are we with Feek here? Ryan could be good here as well.Mate Robertson,Ryan and Brown would be awesome,I wouldn't mind McDonald being involved as well.
Answer the bloody question!
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Ian Foster has signed a two-year contract extension as All Blacks head coach through to the 2023 World Cup, the Herald can reveal. After much conjecture, the Herald understands New Zealand Rugby has moved to give Foster and his management team security as they prepare to lead the All Blacks for 14 weeks away from home. Foster's assistants John Plumtree, Brad Mooar, Scott McLeod and Greg Feek are expected to re-sign alongside Foster in the coming weeks.If his assistants are yet to sign or be offered deals, the NZRFU should not be extending those now
That quote said it would happen before they went on tour, so don't hold out much hope.
I can't find a source which confirms their appointment though, so there is some hope.
Assuming you can't get rid of Foster, I'd look for two or perhaps three new assistants:
Forwards: If Plums is the voice behind Ardie at 8, he should go. I like Coventry, who else is there?
Defence: Robertson started as a defense specialist, correct @Chris ? Who else?
Attack: Brown is the obvious one to try to get, but I don't think they can get him. Who else?
Scrum/set piece: How happy are we with Feek here? Ryan could be good here as well.Mate Robertson,Ryan and Brown would be awesome,I wouldn't mind McDonald being involved as well.
Some of those guys must be on contract elsewhere
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Ian Foster has signed a two-year contract extension as All Blacks head coach through to the 2023 World Cup, the Herald can reveal. After much conjecture, the Herald understands New Zealand Rugby has moved to give Foster and his management team security as they prepare to lead the All Blacks for 14 weeks away from home. Foster's assistants John Plumtree, Brad Mooar, Scott McLeod and Greg Feek are expected to re-sign alongside Foster in the coming weeks.If his assistants are yet to sign or be offered deals, the NZRFU should not be extending those now
That quote said it would happen before they went on tour, so don't hold out much hope.
I can't find a source which confirms their appointment though, so there is some hope.
Assuming you can't get rid of Foster, I'd look for two or perhaps three new assistants:
Forwards: If Plums is the voice behind Ardie at 8, he should go. I like Coventry, who else is there?
Defence: Robertson started as a defense specialist, correct @Chris ? Who else?
Attack: Brown is the obvious one to try to get, but I don't think they can get him. Who else?
Scrum/set piece: How happy are we with Feek here? Ryan could be good here as well.Mate Robertson,Ryan and Brown would be awesome,I wouldn't mind McDonald being involved as well.
Answer the bloody question!
Answered
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Ian Foster has signed a two-year contract extension as All Blacks head coach through to the 2023 World Cup, the Herald can reveal. After much conjecture, the Herald understands New Zealand Rugby has moved to give Foster and his management team security as they prepare to lead the All Blacks for 14 weeks away from home. Foster's assistants John Plumtree, Brad Mooar, Scott McLeod and Greg Feek are expected to re-sign alongside Foster in the coming weeks.If his assistants are yet to sign or be offered deals, the NZRFU should not be extending those now
That quote said it would happen before they went on tour, so don't hold out much hope.
I can't find a source which confirms their appointment though, so there is some hope.
Assuming you can't get rid of Foster, I'd look for two or perhaps three new assistants:
Forwards: If Plums is the voice behind Ardie at 8, he should go. I like Coventry, who else is there?
Defence: Robertson started as a defense specialist, correct @Chris ? Who else?
Attack: Brown is the obvious one to try to get, but I don't think they can get him. Who else?
Scrum/set piece: How happy are we with Feek here? Ryan could be good here as well.Mate Robertson,Ryan and Brown would be awesome,I wouldn't mind McDonald being involved as well.
Answer the bloody question!
Answered
Robertson started as a defence coach? If he were to be brought in, would that be the most likely space as an assistant? Or just straight up forwards coach?
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Ian Foster has signed a two-year contract extension as All Blacks head coach through to the 2023 World Cup, the Herald can reveal. After much conjecture, the Herald understands New Zealand Rugby has moved to give Foster and his management team security as they prepare to lead the All Blacks for 14 weeks away from home. Foster's assistants John Plumtree, Brad Mooar, Scott McLeod and Greg Feek are expected to re-sign alongside Foster in the coming weeks.If his assistants are yet to sign or be offered deals, the NZRFU should not be extending those now
That quote said it would happen before they went on tour, so don't hold out much hope.
I can't find a source which confirms their appointment though, so there is some hope.
Assuming you can't get rid of Foster, I'd look for two or perhaps three new assistants:
Forwards: If Plums is the voice behind Ardie at 8, he should go. I like Coventry, who else is there?
Defence: Robertson started as a defense specialist, correct @Chris ? Who else?
Attack: Brown is the obvious one to try to get, but I don't think they can get him. Who else?
Scrum/set piece: How happy are we with Feek here? Ryan could be good here as well.Mate Robertson,Ryan and Brown would be awesome,I wouldn't mind McDonald being involved as well.
Answer the bloody question!
Answered
Robertson started as a defence coach? If he were to be brought in, would that be the most likely space as an assistant? Or just straight up forwards coach?
Well that depends on who the Assistants are I suppose.Were it all fits together.
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Fozzie needs his control clipped. Appointing assistants and empowering them to fix aspects of the team might help. We are in desperate straights right now. JJ and Brown will not be available until after the RWC. Razor would have to put his HC aspirations on hold. Who else is there close by who might be able to help fix things? Gatland or Schmidt are close and theoretically available to at least try to steady the ship
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
Fozzie needs his control clipped. Appointing assistants and empowering them to fix aspects of the team might help. We are in desperate straights right now. JJ and Brown will not be available until after the RWC. Razor would have to put his HC aspirations on hold. Who else is there close by who might be able to help fix things? Gatland or Schmidt are close and theoretically available to at least try to steady the ship
I can't see HC's from the SR franchises giving up those jobs to align with Foster.
Especially after this NH tour.
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
Fozzie needs his control clipped. Appointing assistants and empowering them to fix aspects of the team might help. We are in desperate straights right now. JJ and Brown will not be available until after the RWC. Razor would have to put his HC aspirations on hold. Who else is there close by who might be able to help fix things? Gatland or Schmidt are close and theoretically available to at least try to steady the ship
I can't see HC's from the SR franchises giving up those jobs to align with Foster.
Especially after this NH tour.
They may see it as a poison chalice.Gatland must have history with Fozz? He is not a HC. Schmidt is on self imposed hiatus due to his son(?). If I was Razor I wouldn't want to either. I would love him JJ and Tony to get their heads together and form a cartel for 2024 though
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2021:
tv3 just said assistants have not been resigned yer
In the NFL, the first strike for a HC is to force new assistants on him. Its time
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2021:
tv3 just said assistants have not been resigned yer
In the NFL, the first strike for a HC is to force new assistants on him. Its time
i would have thought he would have been keen to move on them. i dont think hes geeting value out of them. hanson did
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2021:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2021:
tv3 just said assistants have not been resigned yer
In the NFL, the first strike for a HC is to force new assistants on him. Its time
i would have thought he would have been keen to move on them. i dont think hes geeting value out of them. hanson did
Maybe. But he chose them so maybe he is happy with his team!
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@mn5 said in All Blacks 2021:
Chris Rattue: All Blacks review of Foster appointment now needed
Opinion: Foster may turn things around, but decision to appoint him was clearly wrong.
Can someone give me their credit card details ? I can’t seem to read this article but I bet it’s awesome.
It won't be it by Rattue, the man who was never going to support the All Blacks again when Robbie Deans missed out on coaching job!
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
Fozzie needs his control clipped. Appointing assistants and empowering them to fix aspects of the team might help. We are in desperate straights right now. JJ and Brown will not be available until after the RWC. Razor would have to put his HC aspirations on hold. Who else is there close by who might be able to help fix things? Gatland or Schmidt are close and theoretically available to at least try to steady the ship
I can't see HC's from the SR franchises giving up those jobs to align with Foster.
Especially after this NH tour.
They may see it as a poison chalice.Gatland must have history with Fozz? He is not a HC. Schmidt is on self imposed hiatus due to his son(?). If I was Razor I wouldn't want to either. I would love him JJ and Tony to get their heads together and form a cartel for 2024 though
My dream team too, though not sure if egos will work together and Tony Brown has turned down Razor last time when he wanted him as part of his team.
