Foster, Robertson, Rennie etc
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@delicatessen
I think there is many more variables into why NZ 7s dropped off.
The world putting some kind of effort into 7's being the main one.
-More players heading overseas (general depth erosion of NZ Rugby)
-7s becoming its own sport meaning players had to commit more.
-other teams adapting and evolving, which I don't think NZ did.Under Titch in the end we were playing an awful crash ball wide style which I guess kind of suited the cattle he picked but ultimately didn't work.
He also did nothing special with Samoa that showed he was kind of done. great career but time moves on. The stories I've heard of camps he would train were horrendous on the field and in the kitchen and i know most people think that make players better but, there are clear limits to adaption and thats well beyond it. -
@muddyriver Titch's methods worked well when we had the best cattle and we trained harder than everyone else
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I wonder if there was another coach with the same AB record as Fozzie whether they would have nearly as much negativity about them.
It feels like he has basically zero 'benefit of the doubt' and there's a whole bunch of confirmation bias occurring - with any success brushed off and any failure "I told you so"
Now that I think about it - this whole place runs on confirmation bias on basically every topic - me especially!
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@kiwimurph said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Now that I think about it - this whole place runs on confirmation bias on basically every topic - me especially!
i've been here a while, i don't think i have seen anyone change their mind on here ever. They may concede a point every now and then
but
if there is any evidence that will back the initial assertion up they'll pile back in with "i told you so"
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i hated the Foster years at the Chiefs because all the shit i focus on in a game of football was sub-standard. We would play a lot of pretty rugby (most especially when the pressure was off) but
Shaky set piece;
Inaccurate ruck work;
passive, porous defense.I wonder what that sounds like?
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@mariner4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
I wonder what that sounds like?
2021 Wallabies in Bleds 1 and 2?
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@kiwimurph said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@mariner4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
I wonder what that sounds like?
2021Wallabiesin Bleds 1 and 2?since 2004-ishFTFY
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@mariner4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
i hated the Foster years at the Chiefs because all the shit i focus on in a game of football was sub-standard. We would play a lot of pretty rugby (most especially when the pressure was off) but
Shaky set piece;
Inaccurate ruck work;
passive, porous defense.I wonder what that sounds like?
there was enough to keep you coming back next week because there was talent, but often we would look good in patches within games and ultimately under perform given the talent at his disposal.
Can we close this thread? Every time I see the title it gives me stress a ha
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@bayimports i keep seeing it and remembering @Gibbit and his April Fools thread many many years ago
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@mariner4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@kiwimurph said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Now that I think about it - this whole place runs on confirmation bias on basically every topic - me especially!
i've been here a while, i don't think i have seen anyone change their mind on here ever. They may concede a point every now and then
but
if there is any evidence that will back the initial assertion up they'll pile back in with "i told you so"
What are we sposed to do? Admit we're wrong? On the internet?
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@taniwharugby said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@nostrildamus said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
..We don't understand why he received two more years...
Gregan gave us 4 more years...
Ouch! Foster might as well!
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@kiwimurph said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
I wonder if there was another coach with the same AB record as Fozzie whether they would have nearly as much negativity about them.
It feels like he has basically zero 'benefit of the doubt' and there's a whole bunch of confirmation bias occurring - with any success brushed off and any failure "I told you so"
Now that I think about it - this whole place runs on confirmation bias on basically every topic - me especially!
Hamish Bidwell has the same issue:
Love of rugby transcends corporatism and individuals
Comment - You can love rugby without having any regard for NZR, or any confidence in All Blacks head coach Ian Foster, write [Hamish Bidwell].
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@delicatessen said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@mariner4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@kiwimurph said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Now that I think about it - this whole place runs on confirmation bias on basically every topic - me especially!
i've been here a while, i don't think i have seen anyone change their mind on here ever. They may concede a point every now and then
but
if there is any evidence that will back the initial assertion up they'll pile back in with "i told you so"
What are we sposed to do? Admit we're wrong? On the internet?
What??? Who even thought that shit??
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@kiwimurph said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@nzzp Bidwell is a massive bellend.
Doesn't make him wrong in this case, tho.
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@berniescorner said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
So disillusioned with NZR.
The oustanding coach in SR over a long period of time with the winning Crusaders doesnt get a look in. Their reason not enough international experience. What??
That have got it so wrong.
I'm a Cantabrian, and Razor is awesome, but if we're applying past experiences to current situations, Deans hasn't exactly provided serious confidence.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@godder said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
There's a lot of pontificating in this thread about process, but the main issue as far as I can tell is that we just don't rate Foster, so any process that appoints Foster is flawed.
Or,
#1 we don't understand the process so judge Foster on his results..
#2 His results...
#3 ..We don't understand why he received two more years...
That's not exactly mutually exclusive with we don't rate Foster and therefore don't rate the process.
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@godder said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@nostrildamus said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@godder said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
There's a lot of pontificating in this thread about process, but the main issue as far as I can tell is that we just don't rate Foster, so any process that appoints Foster is flawed.
Or,
#1 we don't understand the process so judge Foster on his results..
#2 His results...#3 ..We don't understand why he received two more years...
That's not exactly mutually exclusive with we don't rate Foster and therefore don't rate the process.
Could be an either/and/or I grant you.
I'm biased against him (because of his record and I don't know the reasons they decided he was the best choice), I don't like what I understand of the process or decision-making but mostly I just want to see better tactical acumen and I don't think he is the one to provide it and help the team play better at the next RWC. -
@godder said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@berniescorner said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
So disillusioned with NZR.
The oustanding coach in SR over a long period of time with the winning Crusaders doesnt get a look in. Their reason not enough international experience. What??
That have got it so wrong.
I'm a Cantabrian, and Razor is awesome, but if we're applying past experiences to current situations, Deans hasn't exactly provided serious confidence.
Deans was a seriously good coach, I think underrated because of where he coached (with the wobs). Not sure how our Australian Ferners see him, but to me he generally got the best out of the player he had, and they played at a very high level.
didn't help be coming up against the McCaw/Carter era of AB dominance with Hansen and Henry
