All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Until one 15 really stands out he’s in the mix.
That's the issue. There is no stand out.
I think the best fullback in the AB squad is on the bench and his name doesn’t start with Jordie.
But Beaudie is still working his way into some kind of form, but in terms of skill set and ability, he is class at the back.
Could Will Jordan be our future at fullback. Needs to develop and mature his game a bit, but more game time on the wing will definitely help as it did with Bender.
Beauden was absolutely huge in this game last year, the Wallabies came to play and we were on the back foot, then he just broke the game open with some superb counters from the back. Then Clarke got going and it was all over, despite our forwards barely holding their own. I agree he's our best 15.
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@no-quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Until one 15 really stands out he’s in the mix.
That's the issue. There is no stand out.
I think the best fullback in the AB squad is on the bench and his name doesn’t start with Jordie.
But Beaudie is still working his way into some kind of form, but in terms of skill set and ability, he is class at the back.
Could Will Jordan be our future at fullback. Needs to develop and mature his game a bit, but more game time on the wing will definitely help as it did with Bender.
Beauden was absolutely huge in this game last year, the Wallabies came to play and we were on the back foot, then he just broke the game open with some superb counters from the back. Then Clarke got going and it was all over, despite our forwards barely holding their own. I agree he's our best 15.
Was just messaging my cousin, arranging our traditional post test meet up,the last message from him just under a year ago “All good. Beauden Barrett!!! What a difference”
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Id for sure start BB at 15. But if my memory serves, he has always looked great coming off the bench too. Just doubtful he will be 15 with the giraffe there. Otherwise team is pretty spot on. Be interesting to see if we have a good game plan I’d love to see something new. I miss the innovation.
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So we’ve got a few trial rules
50/22 which I think menas if you kick it from your half and it bounces out inside their 22 you get the throw
A pre tackle binding one, only one person can bind?
Cleanout not allowed to drop weight on jackler or target lower limbs
red card 20 min
golden point
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Play him against tier-two opponents and he looks a million dollars, play him against big imposing physical sides and he'll get flattened, time and again.
I guess the England team I saw at Twickenham in 2018 were all midgets then....
he was seriously good on that tour, arguably our best player. You could see, even if he didn't make a break, his pace was giving defenders kittens. And i completely changed my opinions of him as a test player on that tour.
but
injury, and form slide put him back. His play this year probably earned his spot. Problem is, that last performance was a shocker, and his limitations were bought to the fore.
The mitigation is i don't think much of the other options at this stage. JB has just as many limitations to his game. BB is an okay FB, but seems to fuck up backline balance because, from the outside, he still wants to be the 10.
I'm not as sold on Jordan as some. And then we are out of fullbacks. The problem with 5 pro teams is our options to bring through and develop talent are limited.
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@machpants 6 tackles then the opposition get a turn?
@Kirwan love watching him run, the balance, swerve, wow!
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Play him against tier-two opponents and he looks a million dollars, play him against big imposing physical sides and he'll get flattened, time and again.
I guess the England team I saw at Twickenham in 2018 were all midgets then....
he was seriously good on that tour, arguably our best player. You could see, even if he didn't make a break, his pace was giving defenders kittens. And i completely changed my opinions of him as a test player on that tour.
but
injury, and form slide put him back. His play this year probably earned his spot. Problem is, that last performance was a shocker, and his limitations were bought to the fore.
The mitigation is i don't think much of the other options at this stage. JB has just as many limitations to his game. BB is an okay FB, but seems to fuck up backline balance because, from the outside, he still wants to be the 10.
I'm not as sold on Jordan as some. And then we are out of fullbacks. The problem with 5 pro teams is our options to bring through and develop talent are limited.
Jordan's defence isn't anywhere near good enough to be a Test fullback.
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
So we’ve got a few trial rules
50/22 which I think menas if you kick it from your half and it bounces out inside their 22 you get the throw
A pre tackle binding one, only one person can bind?
Cleanout not allowed to drop weight on jackler or target lower limbs
red card 20 min
golden point
Anything else?Half of those are fucking stupid; they just compound the complaints about subjective judgements. Unnecessarily too I might add.
Golden point? What ADHD audience are we targeting with this shit?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Cleanout not allowed to drop weight on jackler or target lower limbs
So it's very difficult to cleanout a jackler?
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the only one i even understand is the 20-min red card
the rest do fuck all for the game.
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@tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Cleanout not allowed to drop weight on jackler or target lower limbs
So it's very difficult to cleanout a jackler?
if they have their head below their hips (like pretty much all of them do) you are fucked. Can't hit them. Can't risk brushing the head or neck. Can't get at the lower body. you are pretty much fucked.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
compound the complaints about subjective judgements
This is the problem, and it's such a blight on the game.
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@tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
compound the complaints about subjective judgements
This is the problem, and it's such a blight on the game.
and, as the bore-a-thon in the Republic is showing, giving the refs and TMO more to look at is exactly what the game need
3 hours tests ya-all!!
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@antipodean not sure we need to worry about golden point.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Play him against tier-two opponents and he looks a million dollars, play him against big imposing physical sides and he'll get flattened, time and again.
I guess the England team I saw at Twickenham in 2018 were all midgets then....
he was seriously good on that tour, arguably our best player. You could see, even if he didn't make a break, his pace was giving defenders kittens. And i completely changed my opinions of him as a test player on that tour.
but
injury, and form slide put him back. His play this year probably earned his spot. Problem is, that last performance was a shocker, and his limitations were bought to the fore.
The mitigation is i don't think much of the other options at this stage. JB has just as many limitations to his game. BB is an okay FB, but seems to fuck up backline balance because, from the outside, he still wants to be the 10.
I'm not as sold on Jordan as some. And then we are out of fullbacks. The problem with 5 pro teams is our options to bring through and develop talent are limited.
Jordan's defence isn't anywhere near good enough to be a Test fullback.
Jordan is a big, keen and fast player. Can't the AB coaches teach him how to defend and tackle effectively? He is only 23 and a half.
So JB BB DMac and Jordan can play FB. Actually there is a fifth one as well. Are people saying we have 5 potential fullbacks and none of them are quite good enough?
NB I don't fully understand why JB is seen as a limited fullback, he does most of the basics well, generally is one of the best super 15s in the country, and has a huge boot. And I've been a critic of him in the past-I think he has improved (but putting him at wing was and still is in hindsight, the height of stupidity.)
