Springboks v British & Irish Lions I
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Boks changing the front row at half time did not work out for them.
Lions front row struggled to get into the game - suspect it might have been the unit versus individuals because by around 30 minutes they were troubling the SA front row and the SA front row looked tired. Changing the front row at half time wasn't initially noticable because of the Lions success at the start of the second half (kicking, followed by line out, followed by try) but think they did OK for the next 10 minutes until Lions made their own substitutions.
Overall, the two SA front rows look down on fitness versus Lions.
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@junior said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@act-crusader said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Jonker - “Happy with the pass
Very strange all round - said the forward pass was OK but said he was offside anyway
Sky (Mike Tindell and Nigel Owens) showed an in-depth review - forward pass looked flat from the angles they showed. Offside from the front angle versus overhead/reverse angle shown during the game, accounting for angle of the view showed le Roux's leading foot was in-front of the kicker so looked like Jonker got it right.
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@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Imagine what an in form England or Boks would do to these teams.
😂😂😂
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@sparky said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Lawes, AWJ and Itoje has been massive for the Lions.
I thought Lawes was terrible and AWJ invisible in the first half. But good second half from all of them.
Ha fucking ha
Lawes should have been MOTM
Then Kwagga
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@bovidae said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
A better 2nd half and the BIL played at the right end of the field.
As to Jonker, the speed he was making his TMO decisions was a departure from normal. OK if you get the calls right. I also thought that was a forward pass before le Roux was in front.
I'd make a few changes if I was Gatland. Daly looked lightweight at centre. I've said my piece about Sutherland.
Agreed
Sutherland 3rd choice if Wyn Jones is fit
Both Price and Daly were selected on what they’d done previously under a different game plan
Struggled today
But that’s a coaching problem
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Tom Currie cost three quick penalties and seemed fairly ineffective. Itoje was a mixed bag, but has great length of reach - and if refs let you latch on the ball, why the hell wouldn't you.
I thought Curry cost two penalties and one was the late hit on Faf which is kinda worth it....
Kwagga Smith will remember Curry for a while with that first hit in the second half when Smith/le Roux let the ball bounce and Smith cleaned it up - that led to the Lions penalty/line out/try. When Curry was replaced by Hamish Watson, I thought Watson struggled but the game didn't really suit a fetcher and when given the ball Watson was often on the back foot cleaning up rather than being given good ball to run with.
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Boks changing the front row at half time did not work out for them.
At half time I'd have said that Daley, Lawes, Price, Hogg and LCD had played themselves out of the test team for next week. But other than Daly they all redeemed themselves in the second.
100%
The quota became the quorum
Should have kept them on longerPrice was playing to script
Should have picked Murray 1.0 insteadDaly was the recipient of slow, shit ball
Hogg should be replaced by Liam Williams for the 2nd Test
LCD a better finisher to Owens
Lawes and Furlong first two names on the sheet
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@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Both Price and Daly were selected on what they’d done previously under a different game plan
Thought Price was at a similar level to most of his team mates in the first half but his kicking game in the second half really turned things around.
But Lions looked more composed when Conor came on for the last 16 mins.
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@pecotrain said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@junior said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@act-crusader said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Jonker - “Happy with the pass
Very strange all round - said the forward pass was OK but said he was offside anyway
Sky (Mike Tindell and Nigel Owens) showed an in-depth review - forward pass looked flat from the angles they showed. Offside from the front angle versus overhead/reverse angle shown during the game, accounting for angle of the view showed le Roux's leading foot was in-front of the kicker so looked like Jonker got it right.
Greenwood not Tindall
Now that would be a good scrap if either took offence
My money would be on Tindall
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I’m halfway through the game and have just spoilt it for myself by coming on here ,
I struggled a bit with it at first tbh, been watching a lot of league and our rugby so far has been pretty loose and open , took a bit adjusting my brain back to what tight test match rugby is about ,
I’m probably supporting the lions for no other reason than it possibly makes us look a bit better if they lose ? but otherwise don’t care that much , I don’t dislike the boks or anything,
Look forward to the second half now
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@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I’m halfway through the game and have just spoilt it for myself by coming on here ,
I struggled a bit with it at first tbh, been watching a lot of league and our rugby so far has been pretty loose and open , took a bit adjusting my brain back to what tight test match rugby is about ,
I’m probably supporting the lions for no other reason than it possibly makes us look a bit better if they lose ? but otherwise don’t care that much , I don’t dislike the boks or anything,
> Look forward to the second half now
I reckon the Lions have got this about 22-17
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Watson fucking lucky to stay on the field after that tip tackle.
Boks are 10-man Rugby at best. Pollard was a superstar at age level but is a fucking awful test 10 with grown ups. As soon as the wingers started dropping the ball from the endless hoist balls, they were fucked. Kwagga Smith had a shocker, too.
Was a game built around discipline, mainly, and the boks weren't up to it.
Itoje got MOTM. I thought Lawes was more influential, overall.
Alun Wyn Jones is a good leader - always talking to the refs, steady as she goes at the start of that second half and build into a lead.
What a shit game to watch.
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I thought that no try call was pretty harsh. The angle they used was from behind the kicker so of course he's always going to look in front.
Maybe they should have a chat with EUFA about those fancy lines they used for offside in VAR.
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@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@sparky said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Lawes, AWJ and Itoje has been massive for the Lions.
I thought Lawes was terrible and AWJ invisible in the first half. But good second half from all of them.
Ha fucking ha
Lawes should have been MOTM
Then Kwagga
Expected Lawes to be mom. He really delivered throughout.
Expected to hear more of the Itoje 5m turnover while kneeling on players though. That strange non-call had a huge impact on the game. Berry v good otherwise.
Thought only Daly and Curry under performed for Lions. But the Boks lost it with a poor impact from the entire bench. I did not expect that. -
@mn5 said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Rassie Erasmus said something nice on twitter which I’d share if I knew how.
In reply to official Twitter result tweet
No excuses this side!! You are far away from home, families and going through same tough covid protocols like we do!! Congrats and well deserved !!!
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Was funny seeing Gats celebrating at the end, I thought he's going a bit OTT, then I remembered that's his first win in a loooong time.
I'm in the expected Lawes to MOTM camp too, apparently Itoje just has to turn up though.
I want the Boks to win the next two, one because I can't support the Lions, their ok parts (Scotland and Wales) are cancelled out by the other two. Plus, I want the Boks (assuming we get to play them) to be on top of their game when we play them, and not broken from a series loss.
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@nepia said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I want the Boks to win the next two,
Should be a really tight series; eitehr side could easily have won that game if tight refereeing decisions fell their way. Next weekend will be huge - I may well get up for it, biggest game outside RWC in this cycle I reckon
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@nepia said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Was funny seeing Gats celebrating at the end, I thought he's going a bit OTT
He was showing no emotion in every other shot of the coaches box. Face masks hide any facial expression.
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Have the boks won a test since the wc ?
Imagine if they lost this 3-0 , I don’t think it’s an impossibility, gats had them pretty determined on the Nz tour ,
Be a massive fall from grace
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@kiwiinmelb They havent played since.
Given the country is falling apart i don't think it would be that shocking.
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@kiwiinmelb do they lose ranking points?
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Georgia was an official test wasn't it?
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@nzzp said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@akan004 ah bollocks - yeah< i thought a card would be the right call. It's like head high tackles though, the framework just gets ignored.
Actually, I didn't really mention it, but I thought that was a bad call, in the context of a TMO that went back for a 'head high' that was amrginal earlier in the game.
There was a massive hit in the first half from a springbok that I thought they might have reviewed- I was going to rewind but got distracted but it looked like a shoulder no arms type thing
And also the penalty for the late hit on de Klerk in first half was a bit much
Expecting the Boks to come back way stronger in game two and hopefully we will see their back line running it hard a bit more
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@nevorian said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@nzzp said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
And also the penalty for the late hit on de Klerk in first half was a bit muchCan't agree with that, it was a cynical cheap shot, well deserving of a penalty. Wasn't dangerous or anything, but giving a penalty just says cut out that nonsense. Let it go and the ref would have more of the same to deal with later.
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@gibbonrib it was no arms as well.
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@bovidae said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Georgia was an official test wasn't it?
Yes, just saw someone post 1 win streak is the shortest of any reigning world champ
Didn’t enjoy that overly…really felt like neither had anything up their sleeve, no moves or anything so if they hit it up and didn’t break the line they box kick
Both game play was get within kicking range and then hope for a penalty
Woke this morning to a lot of shit talk about how bad South Africa were but thought the score was about right tightness wise
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@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@bovidae said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Georgia was an official test wasn't it?
Yes, just saw someone post 1 win streak is the shortest of any reigning world champ
Didn’t enjoy that overly…really felt like neither had anything up their sleeve, no moves or anything so if they hit it up and didn’t break the line they box kick
Both game play was get within kicking range and then hope for a penalty
Woke this morning to a lot of shit talk about how bad South Africa were but thought the score was about right tightness wise
Was wondering how Englands streak was given that they lost to NZ here in 04 but then I remembered they woulda played an entire six nations cos the world was a bit more normal then.
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Finally watching the game, first half had been dire. Intense but little skills
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@derpus said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@nzzp No, Lions don't count for rankings.
so ... there's a realistic scenario where the World No 1 loses 3-0, and hasn't played a competitive match for rankings in 2 years.
Yikes.
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@nevorian said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@nzzp said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
And also the penalty for the late hit on de Klerk in first half was a bit muchCan't agree with that, it was a cynical cheap shot, well deserving of a penalty. Wasn't dangerous or anything, but giving a penalty just says cut out that nonsense. Let it go and the ref would have more of the same to deal with later.
Agreed - Curry was well out of line there.
@nevorian said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
There was a massive hit in the first half from a springbok that I thought they might have reviewed- I was going to rewind but got distracted but it looked like a shoulder no arms type thing
It was OK - just hit him off-balance with impact and was wrapping with at least one arm, even if the other one was down a little.
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@arhs said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Thought only Daly and Curry under performed for Lions.
Daly was nonexistent. I also thought Cowan-Dickie was a bit poo and was surprised George didn't start.
But the Boks lost it with a poor impact from the entire bench. I did not expect that.
Yeah that was weird - you look at that bench and think most of them (particularly forwards) are genuine starting contenders, but they just didn't show up. Particularly the front row.
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Almost finished, there boks just turned to shit. So their physicality went down, front row were awful, and their skills didn't improve. Neither did the lions, but their fitness saw them through.
Edit: some of the kicks in play was pretty good, I must admit, ABs could learn there. Pity there was so much of it
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The big improvement in British test sides in the past ten to twelve years has been in their fitness levels. They used to be frequently run off their feet at the end, but now finish games stronger than anyone else. The increased number of delays in a game probably helps them too.
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@sparky said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
The big improvement in British test sides in the past ten to twelve years has been in their fitness levels. They used to be frequently run off their feet at the end, but now finish games stronger than anyone else. The increased number of delays in a game probably helps them too.
Very much, esp with an under cooked opponent here. But yeah, the game was so slow
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@kiwimurph said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib it was no arms as well.
This
Curry should have sat for 10
Cheap, late, dirty
I’d sit him down next match -
@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwimurph said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib it was no arms as well.
This
Curry should have sat for 10
Cheap, late, dirty
I’d sit him down next matchWasn't impressed with Curry at all in the first half (although I wasn't impressed by anyone apart from Itoje). Gave away 3(?) penalties, and didn't offer much. Gutted that Tipuric wasn't available.
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwimurph said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib it was no arms as well.
This
Curry should have sat for 10
Cheap, late, dirty
I’d sit him down next matchWasn't impressed with Curry at all in the first half (although I wasn't impressed by anyone apart from Itoje). Gave away 3(?) penalties, and didn't offer much. Gutted that Tipuric wasn't available.
I think it was only 2 penalties.
But the breakdown work overall by BIL in the first half was very hit and miss. The Boks had their way on both sides of the ball.
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@act-crusader said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwimurph said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib it was no arms as well.
This
Curry should have sat for 10
Cheap, late, dirty
I’d sit him down next matchWasn't impressed with Curry at all in the first half (although I wasn't impressed by anyone apart from Itoje). Gave away 3(?) penalties, and didn't offer much. Gutted that Tipuric wasn't available.
I think it was only 2 penalties.
But the breakdown work overall by BIL in the first half was very hit and miss. The Boks had their way on both sides of the ball.
Agreed. I thought Price looked very poor in the first half, but in reflection that was largely because he wasn't getting any decent ball.
Lawes' second half means he should get another go. Wasn't convinced by Conan, would much rather see Faletau in. Curry was so-so, but H. Watson didn't do anything. Don't think there are any other 7 options in the squad, so I guess stick with Curry.
AWJ and Itoje should go again.
Front row, Sutherland wasn't great so I'd go Jones (or Mako if he's not fit). LCD would be a better bench option, with either Owens or George to start. Furlong earned another run-on, although I thought Sinkler was also decent when he came on.
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