Super Rugby 2022
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@taniwharugby I'm surprised it's taken as long as it has for people to start grizzling about it more widely.
It also reflects the quality of the defences, and the lack of incentive to throw it wide.
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If they enforced the laws about joining a maul it would be a lot more even, but they don’t. Really the only way to join should be behind the ball carrier, but people slip in beside or just in front all the time. Make it that you have to receive the ball when you join, and that would ensure no offside joins, and make it much harder! And the use it should be better enforced, too
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2022:
All I want to see with mauls is a re-balancing of risk/reward. The old way of 'one go only'; once you were stopped, it was use it or lose it would be a big step in the right direction.
Good call
I think it was Peter Thorburn that came up with the two attempts rule. The logic was that mauls were disappearing from the game with only one stop allowed.
That wouldn't be the case now. Mauls are too efficient and the risk is low. With only one stop we'd probably see less yellow cards too
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OK, getting to the pointy end now. It's an 8 team finals series FFS.
So, who's the 4 teams who miss out?
Drua, Moana Pasifica,
then probably Rebels and Force after the AUS/NZ games.insert participation trophy here. Seriously, would a 6 team series not be enough?
Three-week playoff format involving the top eight teams on the overall competition table with quarters, semis and final as follows:
Quarterfinals – 1 v 8, 2 v 7, 3 v 6 and 4 v 5 with the top-ranked team hosting
Semi-Finals – top-ranked quarter-final winner hosts against lowest-ranked quarter-final winner & 2nd highest ranked quarterfinal winner hosts 3rd highest ranked winner
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2022:
Justin's take on mauls below.
It's been an issue for ages; just now that eveyrone is gravitating to BrumbyBall because it's high percentage rugby, he's waking up. Crusaders have been experts at it for years!
All I want to see with mauls is a re-balancing of risk/reward. The old way of 'one go only'; once you were stopped, it was use it or lose it would be a big step in the right direction.
Mauls are not the only problem ruining the game - just as important is players are allowed to be offside too much, coming in from the side & plenty of forward passes let go... for rugby to be a good watch again the game needs a complete overhaul.
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2022:
OK, getting to the pointy end now. It's an 8 team finals series FFS.
So, who's the 4 teams who miss out?
Drua, Moana Pasifica,
then probably Rebels and Force after the AUS/NZ games.insert participation trophy here. Seriously, would a 6 team series not be enough?
Three-week playoff format involving the top eight teams on the overall competition table with quarters, semis and final as follows:
Quarterfinals – 1 v 8, 2 v 7, 3 v 6 and 4 v 5 with the top-ranked team hosting
Semi-Finals – top-ranked quarter-final winner hosts against lowest-ranked quarter-final winner & 2nd highest ranked quarterfinal winner hosts 3rd highest ranked winner
Final – top-ranked semi-final winner hosts the other semi-final winner.Funnily enough, I’d enjoy seeing a ‘plate’ or ‘bowl’ for those four teams, as it could be a good way of giving the Drua and MP some experience of sudden death footy. Would also make for three additional games over the finals which would be fun to watch.
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2022:
OK, getting to the pointy end now. It's an 8 team finals series FFS.
So, who's the 4 teams who miss out?
Drua, Moana Pasifica,
then probably Rebels and Force after the AUS/NZ games.insert participation trophy here. Seriously, would a 6 team series not be enough?
Three-week playoff format involving the top eight teams on the overall competition table with quarters, semis and final as follows:
Quarterfinals – 1 v 8, 2 v 7, 3 v 6 and 4 v 5 with the top-ranked team hosting
Semi-Finals – top-ranked quarter-final winner hosts against lowest-ranked quarter-final winner & 2nd highest ranked quarterfinal winner hosts 3rd highest ranked winner
Final – top-ranked semi-final winner hosts the other semi-final winner.Funnily enough, I’d enjoy seeing a ‘plate’ or ‘bowl’ for those four teams, as it could be a good way of giving the Drua and MP some experience of sudden death footy. Would also make for three additional games over the finals which would be fun to watch.
Splitting into 3 groups of 4- cup,plate, bowl would be amazing to watch. Would love it.
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This competition structure has only been agreed to this year and next year so if the trans Ta$man crossover games don't work (i.e. aren't competitive) I can't see this full super competition lasting. I think it would be split back into domestic comps.
Hoping the trans Ta$man games are more competitive this year.
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@duluth said in Super Rugby 2022:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2022:
All I want to see with mauls is a re-balancing of risk/reward. The old way of 'one go only'; once you were stopped, it was use it or lose it would be a big step in the right direction.
Good call
I think it was Peter Thorburn that came up with the two attempts rule. The logic was that mauls were disappearing from the game with only one stop allowed.
That wouldn't be the case now. Mauls are too efficient and the risk is low. With only one stop we'd probably see less yellow cards too
How about penalising attacking teams for collapsing?
On a similar note, the 5 second ruck law is a farce. Make it 3 and/or enforce it at every ruck. Ref must signal or call when it's available.... and enforce it! Regardless of if more players join.
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@kiwimurph said in Super Rugby 2022:
This competition structure has only been agreed to this year and next year so if the trans Ta$man crossover games don't work (i.e. aren't competitive) I can't see this full super competition lasting. I think it would be split back into domestic comps.
Hoping the trans Ta$man games are more competitive this year.
I think the gap will only get bigger if they split back to domestic comps. They need to just ride it out until it gets more competitive.
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@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
@nepia optimistic, but not sure where you see the improvement coming from.
There's some investment now in the youth component and better talent identification. Female rugby will be considerably better than it is currently. Better, more skilled athletes.
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@kiwimurph its gonna need something after speaking to a contact at sky today
More people are watching the Warriors and the NRL than Super Rugby Aotearoa in record numbers
he said to me you only have to look at the social network after a Warriors game win, lose or draw and how many people are engaged in the comment sections.
He said people are turning off Rugby because of the utter confusion around the rules and officiating especially ..Yellow and Red Cards are comprising games turning contests into a lotteryJust to give you all some some context
Here we go ..Sky have had 2 big meetings over the last 2 Mondays ..the viewing audience for the Chiefs v Blues game drew only 80,000 viewers
the Warriors last Friday night drew 400,000 , a Top Super Rugby game 10 years ago drew 500,000…
Now that the NRL have early games , people are switching off the rugby and watching NRL games ..No Yellow or Red cards to worry about , a report system that does not compromise the game ..clubs with over 100 years of history and tribalismSo much needs to be addressed ..
There are more rugby people interested in club and provincial rugby in his opinion , and theres better than the engagement you feel following the club or provincial team that you have followed throughout for most of your life .
This now explains why Justin Marshall has called out boring rolling mauls ..sorry Justin the game in this part of the world has bigger problems than just rolling mauls .. -
@steven-harris prolly not great viewing figures for the warriors outside NZ/Aus
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@steven-harris I think the interruptions to super rugby the last 3 seasons has done some harm too, the NRL has largely carried on as normal, so plenty of folk that watch both, or were casual watchers of one or the other have maybe gone.
I think the disruptions to super and NPC games, has affected the quality of the product on offer, while I think it is improving, I expect the damage will be done to some of the casual viewers.
Then there is the 'shop window' of the ABs that has likely played its part too with thier less than ideal showing the past 2+ seasons.
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@steven-harris said in Super Rugby 2022:
More people are watching the Warriors and the NRL than Super Rugby Aotearoa in record numbers
he said to me you only have to look at the social network after a Warriors game win, lose or draw and how many people are engaged in the comment sections.Who are all these people watching the Warriors? And why? Of a core group of about 10 mates of mine who always watched the Warriors only 1 regularly still watches and then I'm next.
What about the Warriors are attracting fans? They're generally hopeless, have less NZers for fans to identify with than in the past, and are based out of the country. Seems odd that so many are flocking to them now.
Also, wouldn't 400k viewers be an all time record for a non finals match involving the Warriors?
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
Then there is the 'shop window' of the ABs that has likely played its part too with thier less than ideal showing the past 2+ seasons.
So it's better to not play like the Kiwis?
Those viewing figures surprise me as I don't watch much NRL until the final.
@Steven-Harris What were the viewing figures for the Hurricanes-Crusaders game? That was essentially the curtain-raiser for the Chiefs-Blues game, and the majority of rugby fans would have watched both.
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@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
So it's better to not play like the Kiwis?
clearly! Some players get better when they dont play too!
I guess you could argue that most league fans in NZ would follow the warriors, whereas rugby fans in NZ now have 6 options....I have watched a handful of Warriors games in the past 2 years (some because there was no rugby to watch)
My point was the 'best product' had dropped in quality, we know Kiwi teams playing Kiwi teams isnt as appealing, plus the less than ideal quality in the early rounds, plus the large Auckland market had no NPC last year.
Rugby has some ground to take back.
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@nepia Firstly Rugby League is not my game , i personally think its more predictable than what even the most ardent league supporter thinks .
On saying that i do admire the fact that they are prepared to have a report system for foul play that does not compromise an even contest where 13 players remain on the field and the guilty party is dealt accordingly through a judicary process
Rugby at the minute is so inconsistant , there is more spoken about officiating on these threads than the game itselfSecondly they dont tamper with rules and are quick to change back if some of the innovations are not working as opposed to world rugby who need a spanish inquistion and whole season to change things up.
and their marketing is on point , nobody is rested during the season even though state of orgin folds into the season , the competion proper is not compromised.On the Warriors , they have very smart media people who are always pushing through stories and making players and management available ASAP..
They do a tremendous job with social media .
On TV one news tonight , not a thing about the Saders v Blues game tomorrow night .What people have to also think about , the Warriors have a massive folowing in not just NZ but also Auckland especially and unlike super rugby , its tribal
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@steven-harris and the competition is genuine on the NRL. in super, you don't even have the top players playing, the rest and rotation, the stockpiling of talent, the mickey mouse expansions and broadcaster led poxy finals series hosted by losers and I'm not surprised it's not caught on.
I'm a big fan, and the season starts too early to get attention
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