Super Rugby 2022
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@billy-tell said in Super Rugby 2022:
@crucial said in Super Rugby 2022:
@billy-tell said in Super Rugby 2022:
My interest in super rugby has flagged fast. Too repetitive. There is only so many times I can watch the same teams face each other.
See, I don't get that. Does the same apply to test series? Nope. The interest is in the changes between matches the counter tactics. Maybe a team has upped their game since the last match and is ready to make amends.
How often do Ireland do a test series in nz? How often do NZ super rugby sides meet? Just not comparable imo.
But when we do get a series it can be three in a row. Super Rugby may have eg Blues v Chiefs twice in a two month period with a possibility that they may meet in finals.
I think we have got too used to hit and run games or 'series' of two in a row at most. Tours of a series of one-off tests.
Over the last couple of decades we have ended up in a place where coaches seem to 'move on' to the next challenge quickly and although they have reviews, the don't get to test the adjustments or improvements that they identify.
Those adjustments, if proven, can set teams and leaders up with the tools to change during games.
As an example Chiefs v Crusaders. Crusaders in quick succession. Crusaders completely changed up their tactics and threw everything at the breakdown in the second match. Those players now have that proven tool in their arsenal to apply should they find themselves in a game one situation again where they had tried to absorb and hold out.
I just find it interesting and find value in repeated games. Not ad nauseum of course but I dont see the issue with the structure of NZ teams playing each other a couple of times. -
@crucial said in Super Rugby 2022:
@billy-tell said in Super Rugby 2022:
@crucial said in Super Rugby 2022:
@billy-tell said in Super Rugby 2022:
My interest in super rugby has flagged fast. Too repetitive. There is only so many times I can watch the same teams face each other.
See, I don't get that. Does the same apply to test series? Nope. The interest is in the changes between matches the counter tactics. Maybe a team has upped their game since the last match and is ready to make amends.
How often do Ireland do a test series in nz? How often do NZ super rugby sides meet? Just not comparable imo.
But when we do get a series it can be three in a row. Super Rugby may have eg Blues v Chiefs twice in a two month period with a possibility that they may meet in finals.
I think we have got too used to hit and run games or 'series' of two in a row at most. Tours of a series of one-off tests.
Over the last couple of decades we have ended up in a place where coaches seem to 'move on' to the next challenge quickly and although they have reviews, the don't get to test the adjustments or improvements that they identify.
Those adjustments, if proven, can set teams and leaders up with the tools to change during games.
As an example Chiefs v Crusaders. Crusaders in quick succession. Crusaders completely changed up their tactics and threw everything at the breakdown in the second match. Those players now have that proven tool in their arsenal to apply should they find themselves in a game one situation again where they had tried to absorb and hold out.
I just find it interesting and find value in repeated games. Not ad nauseum of course but I dont see the issue with the structure of NZ teams playing each other a couple of times.I suppose it's that NZ sides tend to play fairly similar styles, so you end up watching 3 games which are somewhat the same. Whereas when you had the SA sides (when they were good back in the day), it added some variety. I suppose it's due to covid, but I wish the NZ sides were playing Aussie ones this weekend and not each other. Again.
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@billy-tell said in Super Rugby 2022:
I suppose it's due to covid, but I wish the NZ sides were playing Aussie ones this weekend and not each other. Again.
The original draw was a better competition. Here's a link to it: Original 2022 SR draw
There was more variety in the games being played each weekend, instead of front loading the derby matches. The kiwi v kiwi matches would've been bigger events because they were spaced out etc
Covid destroyed that. The organisers of the comp deserve some credit for how flexible they have been. I was pessimistic when the season started and assumed we wouldn't see as much rugby as we have
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@stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:
There are few good ones, this year.
I'd like to see this.
Imagine trying to ref that
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@stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:
@hooroo Probably need two refs, too. And 4 ARs.
6,7&8's heads would explode. Follow the ball for linking play or go on defense!!
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@hooroo said in Super Rugby 2022:
@stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:
@hooroo Probably need two refs, too. And 4 ARs.
6,7&8's heads would explode. Follow the ball for linking play or go on defense!!
Imagine how the refs would handle simultaneous scoring.
Worse still imagine TJ and Marshall calling it.Nisbo would be sitting in the corner of the commentary box crying cos his head hurt too much.
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@hooroo said in Super Rugby 2022:
@stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:
There are few good ones, this year.
I'd like to see this.
Imagine trying to ref that
HaHa thats one of the best from today
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@chris said in Super Rugby 2022:
@hooroo said in Super Rugby 2022:
@stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:
There are few good ones, this year.
I'd like to see this.
Imagine trying to ref that
HaHa thats one of the best from today
Not a high bar, Apr fool sis so shit
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@machpants said in Super Rugby 2022:
@chris said in Super Rugby 2022:
@hooroo said in Super Rugby 2022:
@stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:
There are few good ones, this year.
I'd like to see this.
Imagine trying to ref that
HaHa thats one of the best from today
Not a high bar, Apr fool sis so shit
Made me laugh Mate
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@chris said in Super Rugby 2022:
@machpants said in Super Rugby 2022:
@chris said in Super Rugby 2022:
@hooroo said in Super Rugby 2022:
@stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:
There are few good ones, this year.
I'd like to see this.
Imagine trying to ref that
HaHa thats one of the best from today
Not a high bar, Apr fool sis so shit
Made me laugh Mate
I'll check it out in a few hours/beers time
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@taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:
Clarke will have a 3 week holiday surely?
Blues said they will fight suspension.
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@tim said in Blues 2022:
@taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:
Clarke will have a 3 week holiday surely?
Blues said they will fight suspension.
I'd say why bother, but as we've seen with the Banks' red card, why not fight it? The interesting aspect about player safety is if Clarke got a finger to the ball, it would just be an unfortunate incident.
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@antipodean said in Blues 2022:
@tim said in Blues 2022:
@taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:
Clarke will have a 3 week holiday surely?
Blues said they will fight suspension.
I'd say why bother, but as we've seen with the Banks' red card, why not fight it? The interesting aspect about player safety is if Clarke got a finger to the ball, it would just be an unfortunate incident.
I thought the head went into the thigh as well - quite different to the knee. Hopefully they have good footage of it; clearly a reckless jump, but it'd be pretty rough to cop teh same suspension as Nepo.
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@nzzp said in Blues 2022:
@kirwan said in Blues 2022:
@nzzp and surely a red card for a reckless challenge is punishment enough.
you cannot bring rationality to the judici-lotto
It's a strange one though and I'm sure that the lawyers will be onto it. WRs 'Head Contact Process' specifically states...
*The process can be applied to:
High tackles
Shoulder charges
Dangerous cleanouts
Head-to-head collisions
Leading elbow / forearm*So this is none of those. The Process also has an aside that -
The Head Contact Process is a Law Application Guideline. Under 9.11, the referee is always entitled to issue a red or yellow card for anything deemed to be reckless or dangerous. However, this process is intended to aid consistency in the application of sanctions by providing guidance on how contact with the head should be approached by match officials and disciplinary personnel.
LAW 9: Foul play
- Players must not do anything that is reckless or dangerous to others including leading with the elbow or forearm.
So for consistency the refs decided that the contact meets 9.11 and that if the same sanction application as tackles is applied "for consistency" then it meets a RC.
For me the argument is whether the act of jumping to block a kick met a high level of danger or was a highly reckless act.
Defence will argue that it was a normal act of the game that ended up badly (accident). Jumping into the path of a running player holds more danger for the jumper and it was simply bad luck that direct contact was made to the head. Anythng other than direct contact would have been a YC . To me there needs to be a high probability of direct contact to the head for it to be reckless.But it's the judiciary.
