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<p>It's called the war. Take out 3/4 of the good cricketers who were killed in WW2 and suddenly, his record doesn't seem that great.... :fishing:</p>
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<p>I said that to an aussie mate once, he dead seat punched me in the head. We are sitll good mates to this day, and he confesses it's the greatest wind-up he's ever heard. I'm not convinced he's 100% over it, and it was over 10 years ago.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MajorRage" data-cid="551448" data-time="1452232240"><p>It's called the war. Take out 3/4 of the good cricketers who were killed in WW2 and suddenly, his record doesn't seem that great.... :fishing:<br>
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I said that to an aussie mate once, he dead seat punched me in the head. We are sitll good mates to this day, and he confesses it's the greatest wind-up he's ever heard. I'm not convinced he's 100% over it, and it was over 10 years ago.</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="mariner4life" data-cid="551444" data-time="1452230393"><p>cracking record! <br><br>
While i was looking at this stuff, it showed how fucking good Bradman's numbers are. He played 52 tests, batted 80 times, and scored 7,000 runs. What was the 1930s equivalent of PEDs?</p></blockquote>
6,996 runs to be pedantic, hence the shit 99.94 average.<br><br>
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Clearly a choker too.</p></blockquote>
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<p>10 - 20 tests is far too small of a career to gauge how good someone is. Lots of batsmen in the more modern era have started off with a rush of runs and had massive figures early on.</p>
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I doubt it. People would point out how many he got against probably the worst Windies side ever. The bloke with the 60 average is Herbert Sutcliffe and his opening partner ( who experts consider a much better player in Jack Hobbs ) averaged 56. That woulda been rather daunting. -
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<p>I doubt it. People would point out how many he got against probably the worst Windies side ever. The bloke with the 60 average is Herbert Sutcliffe and his opening partner ( who experts consider a much better player in Jack Hobbs ) averaged 56. That woulda been rather daunting.</p>
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<p>Sutcliffe is a whole different matter, outstanding first class record, and formed one of the greatest opening partnerships of all time with Hobbs.</p> -
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Without a word of a lie I truly believe the Rugby equivalent of Bradman would be a guy who plays like Richie McCaw with the added bonus of getting wide and playing like Jonah at the next phase. <br><br>
I still wonder if he wasn't actually real and was made up, how can anyone have dominated the game like that? The thread a few years back on here comparing Tendulkar to him was laughable, I'd argue ST was not even the best of his generation let alone being compared to 'The Don'<br><br>
You have to feel for a guy like Walter Hammond who played in the same era and who, whilst rightly regarded as one of the best of all time, averaged FORTY ONE less than he did!!!!</p></blockquote>
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I remember that thread! Laughable doesn't begin to describe it. Check out the Roar thread about the same topic. Headley was cited as "evidence" that Bradman wasn't exceptional for his time. The fact that Bradman's test average was still 30 fooking runs better than Headleys first class average didn't seem to register. -
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Arguements could be made for Lara and Kallis from Tendulkars era alone let alone other eras. There were also any number of fine batsmen like Ponting, Hayden, Dravid, S Waugh, Chanderpaul etc who Tendulkar was better than but shit, not exactly much in it. <br><br>
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<p>For Aus Clarke didn't get there, but Smith and Warner are both in. </p>
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<p>Who the fuck is Headley? Worrall didn't get there</p>
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<p>Headley was the "West Indian Bradman". Pre-war he averaged close to 70 with 10 hundreds in 19 matches, he was already nearly 40 when he came back for 3 more matches after the war. Headley and Constantine were the pre-war West Indian stars that launched the post-war stars like the 3 W's, Ramadhin and Valentine, Sobers, Kanhai, Hall, Gibbs etc etc.</p> -
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<p>This story just gets better. The field had 27 m boundaries - that makes Eden Park look big! :mocking:</p>
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<p>Mid 1990's we used to joke about players soon "being able to block it for 6" with the new flash ($500+) bats that were starting to appear in the sport shops, but in this instance...</p> -
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Who the fuck doesn't know who George Headley is?<br>
It's like you didn't read those amazing fat little yellow cricket bibles for hours on end.</p></blockquote>
A collection of Wisdens at the Bach we were staying kept me amused for hours on end during a family holiday in Waikanae in the early 90s when it fucken hosed down the whole time. Happily enough last time I went there they were still there and I had a flick through, fucken outstanding reading. Vivid memories involved reading about a heavily moustached Graham Gooch and a heavily mulletted Mark Waugh plundering county attacks for Essex. That was when the elder Waugh had a pretty middle of the road test average and MW was starting out. I boldly predicted 'Afghanistan' would get the outstanding record of the two, how wrong I was although 8000 odd runs at 42 is still very good. -
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<p>A collection of Wisdens at the Bach we were staying kept me amused for hours on end during a family holiday in Waikanae in the late 80s when it fucken hosed down the whole time. Happily enough last time I went there they were still there and I had a flick through, fucken outstanding reading.</p>
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<p>I've got most of them since 1946 ...... don't refer to them so often now you can find any scorecard online but they are always good for a browse. Also I started acquiring them before they became known as having value - once picked up the 1951 for 2p in a charity shop in England - the Ramadhin and Valentine series.</p>
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<p>A collection of Wisdens at the <strong>Bach</strong> we were staying kept me amused for hours on end during a family holiday in Waikanae in the early 90s when it fucken hosed down the whole time. Happily enough last time I went there they were still there and I had a flick through, fucken outstanding reading. Vivid memories involved reading about a heavily moustached Graham Gooch and a heavily mulletted Mark Waugh plundering county attacks for Essex. That was when the elder Waugh had a pretty middle of the road test average and MW was starting out. I boldly predicted 'Afghanistan' would get the outstanding record of the two, how wrong I was although 8000 odd runs at 42 is still very good.</p>
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<p>Is it "batch" or "bach", though? I always go for the former, purely due to phonetics. The latter sounds like a composer.</p>
