Exodus 2016

Billy Tell

@SouthernMan
 
I'm probably just depressed when I see the Crusaders' halves for 2016: Drummond, Ellis, McKenzie (the less talented one), Mo'unga (who?), Volavola
 
...as gentle and uninspiring as Blackadder at interview time.
 
I sense a long season of mediocrity. Probably end up supporting the Canes in their bid to break their duck - might come down to whether they can beat World Rugby's 5th ranked team in the final...

Tim

Mitchell Hunt looks good for the future though.

Billy Tell

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Mitchell Hunt looks good for the future though.
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I hope so. Living outside NZ, I don't really follow rugby too much below SXV level, and according to Wikipedia Super Rugby transfers, he is listed as a fullback. But I see on his Wiki profile he is also listed as a 10.

bobily

He has played a lot more at 10 than at fullback.
 
Also, Mo'unga isn't a bad option, and went reasonably well for Canterbury last season. I'd be picking him, personally.

KiwiMurph

Yep agreed on MoÃ³unga - he showed real improvement in the ITM Cup last year from the year prior. He looks the best bet. Drummond at halfback developed nicely over the year as well - he had a cracking game for the NZ Barbarians v the Maori in the middle of the year.
 
As for the Blues - this really seems like West's last shot - he may go better with some better coaches involved (Umaga, Feeney) and he finished this year on a high in the ITM Cup Championship final for the Magpies. McGahan looks more comfortable at fullback and Francis quite frankly doesn't look up to this level - he seems to be taking the 'Simon Hickey' spot. Given Umaga's comments and his willingness to pick youngsters I wouldn't be surprised to see the likes of Wiseguy Faiane and/or possibly DÃngelo Leuila in the Blues 10 setup from 2017 moving forward. At halfback they have some nice talent with the highly rated Sam Nock and Bryn Hall who was the Blues best halfback in 2014 before missing 2015 with injury.

Winger

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Brock James was pretty bloody handy when he played NPC - the Hurricanes wanted to pick him up and he would've been a good signing, but they were blocked by NZRU I believe. Are you thinking of the right player? He definitely wasn't slow and had good attacking abilities (had previously played 7's for Oz, not a game for those that are so slow with no athletic ability).
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Agree. He was good. I was pissed that the NZRU said no

Winger

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Yep agreed on MoÃ³unga - he showed real improvement in the ITM Cup last year from the year prior. He looks the best bet. Drummond at halfback developed nicely over the year as well - he had a cracking game for the NZ Barbarians v the Maori in the middle of the year.
 
As for the Blues - this really seems like West's last shot - he may go better with some better coaches involved (Umaga, Feeney) and he finished this year on a high in the ITM Cup Championship final for the Magpies. McGahan looks more comfortable at fullback and Francis quite frankly doesn't look up to this level - he seems to be taking the 'Simon Hickey' spot. Given Umaga's comments and his willingness to pick youngsters I wouldn't be surprised to see the likes of Wiseguy Faiane and/or possibly DÃngelo Leuila in the Blues 10 setup from 2017 moving forward. At halfback they have some nice talent with the highly rated Sam Nock and Bryn Hall who was the Blues best halfback in 2014 before missing 2015 with injury. 
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West is not even close to being good enough at this level.
 
McKenzie junior is the one I would try for if coaching the Blues

KiwiMurph

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West is not even close to being good enough at this level.
 
McKenzie junior is the one I would try for if coaching the Blues
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I get that sense as well but it seems like they see enough talent there to give it one last shot. He wasn't particularly helped by having Cowan inside him last season. Feeney showed with Auckland he has the ability to run a good attack. West's goal kicking is certainly good enough!
 
Yes D Mackenzie certainly has shown the willingness to move areas for opportunities - perhaps the Blues will be come a more desirable location in 2017 if Umaga can give the franchise some stability/a platform.

Nepia

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Nah it isn't the NZRU's job to future profs franchises. It's the local organisations job to make sure they have good plans, if that fails then it's their fault.
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I think that is short sighted, the NZRU fund the salaries of the Super teams and so should want to have a say in how their investment is run.
 
We don't want to get into situations again where Mark Robinson misses out on a Super spot because each region was only wanting to hold on to their players and not pick the best players in the country.
 
Also, and I say this as a fan of the team and the coach, it's ultra stupid for the Chiefs to have 3 AB halfbacks (or 3 of their quality if you want to denigrate their AB status).

Nepia

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West is not even close to being good enough at this level.
 
McKenzie junior is the one I would try for if coaching the Blues
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So your love affair with HB inside backs is over? Sweet.

Unco

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@SouthernMan
 
I'm probably just depressed when I see the Crusaders' halves for 2016: Drummond, Ellis, McKenzie (the less talented one), Mo'unga (who?), Volavola
 
...as gentle and uninspiring as Blackadder at interview time.
 
I sense a long season of mediocrity. Probably end up supporting the Canes in their bid to break their duck - might come down to whether they can beat World Rugby's 5th ranked team in the final...
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Oh boohoo. The Crusaders made their bed, now they have to sleep in it, same as every other franchise over the last twenty years.
 
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I think that is short sighted, the NZRU fund the salaries of the Super teams and so should want to have a say in how their investment is run.
 
We don't want to get into situations again where Mark Robinson misses out on a Super spot because each region was only wanting to hold on to their players and not pick the best players in the country.
 
Also, and I say this as a fan of the team and the coach, it's ultra stupid for the Chiefs to have 3 AB halfbacks (or 3 of their quality if you want to denigrate their AB status).
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Are we pretending that the NZRU don't already dictate a shitload of what every franchise does? Forcing selections onto teams in the effort to spread out talent seems like a step too far IMO.

taniwharugby

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Oh boohoo. The Crusaders made their bed, now they have to sleep in it, same as every other franchise over the last twenty years.
 
Are we pretending that the NZRU don't already dictate a shitload of what every franchise does? Forcing selections onto teams in the effort to spread out talent seems like a step too far IMO.
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Why? They pay the bulk of the salaries, having an even comp is better for the long term viability of NZ rugby so they are entitled to have a say as to who goes where if it is in the best interests of NZ Rugby, or would we better if the franchises made all the decisions, like the clubs in the NH?

Unco

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Why? They pay the bulk of the salaries, having an even comp is better for the long term viability of NZ rugby so they are entitled to have a say as to who goes where if it is in the best interests of NZ Rugby, or would we better if the franchises made all the decisions, like the clubs in the NH?
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No but I think there's a balance. If the NZRU dictated everything, the only difference between the five teams would be where they're based and at that point, who gives a shit who wins?

taniwharugby

Well, TBH I dont really care who wins when it comes to S1? just that NZ teams beat other countries and they dont ruin the other Kiwi teams chances if they are shite...
 
But yeah, there needs to be a balance for sure, for the most part I dont think they are far off.

mimic

I remember a time when Canterbury had like 4/5 top first fives, and pretty much kept them all.. Playing them at 12, fullback and wing..

Winger

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So your love affair with HB inside backs is over? Sweet.
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He's a competent NPC player that's all. Or maybe backup s18 level.
 
But if the Blues want to be title contenders again

taniwharugby

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I remember a time when Canterbury had like 4/5 top first fives, and pretty much kept them all.. Playing them at 12, fullback and wing.. 
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well they have to want to leave too, at the time, it was easier into the ABs as a back-up Crusader than starting anywhere else!

booboo

Back in the day the franchise would pick their players from their region, protect a given number, and then a NZRU appointed commissioner (Peter Thorburn) would distribute the rest of the talent. I preferred that system.

sparky

Saracens have signed Schalk Burger for 2016/7 and 2017/8: 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.saracens.com/news-article/saracens-sign-springbok-legend-schalk-burger'>http://www.saracens.com/news-article/saracens-sign-springbok-legend-schalk-burger</a>

NZRUGBYQUIZZES

I imagine a South African exodus thread would run to many more pages. When I first went to Japan in 2000, I don't think there were any South Africans playing in the top-league at all.
 
Now there are possibly more of them than there are NZers.

The Silver Fern

Exodus 2016