SRA: Final. Crusaders vs Chiefs
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Good game for the neutrals. Well done Chiefs for making it a great hour or so. If you had a decent kicker you might have taken it.😉
Amazing maul defence against 13!
All the confusion about red cards is entirely the fault of the rugby administrators. 3 red cards would have been dished out on the latest interpretations from the last world cup. We were told 2+2 always equals 4, and now it sometimes equals 3.
Bridge tried to force the ball my arse. Oh, it was a mistake so no penalty - do we apply that to every penalisable mistake?
Thank you Nisbo, time to go, your mis- naming is becoming a distraction.
Awesome defence and tackling from the Red forwards.
DMac will always only be a B+ player with intermittent flashes of an A player. Good lad though.
Havilli to start as AB 2nd five.
Gatland has improved his running game remarkably.
The best coach in NZ isn't in charge of the All Blacks
Well done Crusaders, great standards and excellent rugby.
Well done Chiefs, after last year and a paltry roster, they did bloody well. If it was my team I'd be proud as punch.Bring on the Aussies
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@siam good summation. Especially the Nisbo comment. It's becoming quite frequent and with that frequency comes annoyance and yes, distraction. At that point it becomes untenable having him continue. They probably need to make a call on it immediately and give him a farewell tour this season so he can bow out only a little on the downward slide.
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@siam said in SRA: Final. Crusaders vs Chiefs:
@shark it does mate. I find myself following the player instead of the ball as my brain processes the audio/visual disparity. Stupid old coot. Thanks for his years of service though🙂
I started a thread on this months ago as I don’t see the broadcasters doing anything to blood new talent to take over which leaves us with TJ becoming the “senior”
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@crazy-horse I wouldn't be surprised. Crusaders success is institutional. They could easily be making him look better than he is.
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@derpus said in SRA: Final. Crusaders vs Chiefs:
@crazy-horse I wouldn't be surprised. Crusaders success is institutional. They could easily be making him look better than he is.
Maybe, but the Crusaders look like a well coached team. I think about the Blackadder days, where the team was arguably stronger on paper. They under achieved. At the time I was saying they didn't look well coached.
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What's the deal with the reffing? There is no interpretation that allows the ref to award Reece a yellow. Direct contact to the head without a mitigating factor is red. O'Keefe seemed to say that it didn't result in serious harm and so it was just a yellow.
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@booboo said in SRA: Final. Crusaders vs Chiefs:
@snowy said in SRA: Final. Crusaders vs Chiefs:
@booboo said in SRA: Final. Crusaders vs Chiefs:
Just the vibe I got from the game is I'm not as down about the All Blacks as I was. Played at pace with great skill.
Foster.
Don't buy in to the hate.
Me neither , I just don't get it.
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@derpus said in SRA: Final. Crusaders vs Chiefs:
What's the deal with the reffing? There is no interpretation that allows the ref to award Reece a yellow. Direct contact to the head without a mitigating factor is red. O'Keefe seemed to say that it didn't result in serious harm and so it was just a yellow.
Both Nanai-Seturo's high tackles were also direct contact to the head.
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@derpus said in SRA: Final. Crusaders vs Chiefs:
What's the deal with the reffing? There is no interpretation that allows the ref to award Reece a yellow. Direct contact to the head without a mitigating factor is red. O'Keefe seemed to say that it didn't result in serious harm and so it was just a yellow.
There's an enormous difference between how SRA is controlled and how other Rugby competitions are currently officiated. NZ-based players, coaches and fans are going to be shocked when they encounter the rest of the world's refereeing in 2021. I suspect there will be a lot of Yellow and Red cards for what in SRA has been deemed okay.
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@cantab79 said in SRA: Final. Crusaders vs Chiefs:
@derpus said in SRA: Final. Crusaders vs Chiefs:
What's the deal with the reffing? There is no interpretation that allows the ref to award Reece a yellow. Direct contact to the head without a mitigating factor is red. O'Keefe seemed to say that it didn't result in serious harm and so it was just a yellow.
Both Nanai-Seturo's high tackles were also direct contact to the head.
That doesn’t seem to matter as it was the chiefs so it doesn’t count apparently.
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@sparky said in SRA: Final. Crusaders vs Chiefs:
@derpus said in SRA: Final. Crusaders vs Chiefs:
What's the deal with the reffing? There is no interpretation that allows the ref to award Reece a yellow. Direct contact to the head without a mitigating factor is red. O'Keefe seemed to say that it didn't result in serious harm and so it was just a yellow.
There's an enormous difference between how SRA is controlled and how other Rugby competitions are currently officiated. NZ-based players, coaches and fans are going to be shocked when they encounter the rest of the world's refereeing in 2021. I suspect there will be a lot of Yellow and Red cards for what in SRA has been deemed okay.
I think you're taking the sparky and being massively over dramatic on it. Our refs are massively inconsistent at the moment and it's really hard to figure out why, but watching the GP yesterday and while the ref was more consistent in his application, there wasn't any huge difference in interpretation.
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@derpus said in SRA: Final. Crusaders vs Chiefs:
What's the deal with the reffing? There is no interpretation that allows the ref to award Reece a yellow. Direct contact to the head without a mitigating factor is red. O'Keefe seemed to say that it didn't result in serious harm and so it was just a yellow.
Wrapping the arm is the mitigation for me. Reece is trying to make a proper tackle.
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@hydro11 said in SRA: Final. Crusaders vs Chiefs:
@derpus said in SRA: Final. Crusaders vs Chiefs:
What's the deal with the reffing? There is no interpretation that allows the ref to award Reece a yellow. Direct contact to the head without a mitigating factor is red. O'Keefe seemed to say that it didn't result in serious harm and so it was just a yellow.
Wrapping the arm is the mitigation for me. Reece is trying to make a proper tackle.
Huh? It's a high tackle.
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@gunner said in SRA: Final. Crusaders vs Chiefs:
@bones said in SRA: Final. Crusaders vs Chiefs:
DMac jumped.
And?
Taylor deliberately tackled him in the air, and he went past 180 degrees.You know what 180 degrees is, yeah? I only just watched the highlights, but I'm sure they would have included a clip of dMac being upside down.
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I hope to God the game was a damn sight better than the dumpster fire that is the last 5 pages of this thread
Congratulations to the Crusaders on once again being the benchmark. A great organisation that all others have to beat to become champs. It's amazing and something to admire.
I'm not sure if our Christchurch brethren of a certain age understand how many of us feel about rugby teams. If you've only known rugby since the late 90s it's been provincial, super, and international success on a reoccurring basis. Some of us only know fleeting highs among years and years of lows.
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@mariner4life said in SRA: Final. Crusaders vs Chiefs:
I hope to God the game was a damn sight better than the dumpster fire that is the last 5 pages of this thread
Congratulations to the Crusaders on once again being the benchmark. A great organisation that all others have to beat to become champs. It's amazing and something to admire.
I'm not sure if our Christchurch brethren of a certain age understand how many of us feel about rugby teams. If you've only known rugby since the late 90s it's been provincial, super, and international success on a reoccurring basis. Some of us only know fleeting highs among years and years of lows.
I blame World Rugby.
They've massively escalated the penalties for "inaccurate play" without reflecting on or mitigating the impact on the game as a whole.
In the olden days, Cyril Brownlie's red card was handed down in folklore in the same envelope as Bob Dean's try.
Then Pinetree got a red card in about 1963 - handed out at 30+ year intervals.
Now we're litigating for two in one match - and two penalty tries with attendant yellow cards - plus maybe a few for Chiefs' head highs.
Up until the late-1960s, you weren't allowed to replace injured players - so you see quite a few international teams that got beaten in tour matches or a minnow team got close - and then read the match description and it turns out the internationals played much of the game with 13 players.
Eventually, the IRB realised that people didn't want games decided by who didn't get injured, rather than the better team winning.
I don't want to see a succession of hollow matches decided by who can keep 15 players on the park.
One obvious solution is to allow replacement of a red carded player after 10 minutes - unless he's been red-carded for an act of out and out thuggery.
But, there needs to be more review of laws and protocols - the idea that Jordan's tackle on Lowe warranted a penalty try and a yellow card is, frankly, ridiculous - but, Aaron Goile was arguing for it in the media, because "it's in the rules".
Imagine losing a World Cup final on that!!!
