Super Rugby Trans Tasman
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@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The competition is a farce. Basically everyone here would accept that the Hurricanes are the worst NZ side in Super Rugby this season. That is not a controversial opinion - after all, we were the only team to not make a final in 2021. However, we just needed Jordie Barrett to kick one penalty goal and we would have come first and hosted the final. In what sort of competition should the worst NZ team be in such a box seat?
What if we won the final? How would I feel about that? Stoked, for sure. However, would there be a ticker-tape parade? Would the kids take a day off school? Would it compare (at all) to 2016? The answer is assuredly no.
It is a fucked competition where you can go 5/5 and not make the final. Of course, the Crusaders do only have themselves to blame. They should have secured more four try bonus points and they should have pumped the Rebels by more. The Highlanders and Blues deserve to be in the final and I hope we do continue to play the Australian teams.
One thing I will say, is that I preferred the one round of Super Rugby TT to another round of Super Rugby Aotearoa. SRA was better but playing each team twice will be enough. The worrying thing is that any Pacific franchise will be a lot less competitive than even the 'Tahs were.
Would the Canes have had a home final?
Yup. 4 bonus point wins in the other games.
Wouldn’t have the home final though? Points diff would still be behind
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@tim said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@crazy-horse If you're going to post a big whine about being picked on, then you should at least read the comment that kicked all this off.
"And also trying to convince themselves that it means something"
Hardly comparable to your self-pitying post.
That post didn't kick it off. It was kicked off by someone suggesting that the Blues and Highlanders are comparable to the Crusaders because they all went 5-0 against Australian teams, when the Crusaders easily had the best record versus NZ teams.
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@duluth said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The competition is a farce. Basically everyone here would accept that the Hurricanes are the worst NZ side in Super Rugby this season. That is not a controversial opinion - after all, we were the only team to not make a final in 2021. However, we just needed Jordie Barrett to kick one penalty goal and we would have come first and hosted the final. In what sort of competition should the worst NZ team be in such a box seat?
What if we won the final? How would I feel about that? Stoked, for sure. However, would there be a ticker-tape parade? Would the kids take a day off school? Would it compare (at all) to 2016? The answer is assuredly no.
It is a fucked competition where you can go 5/5 and not make the final. Of course, the Crusaders do only have themselves to blame. They should have secured more four try bonus points and they should have pumped the Rebels by more. The Highlanders and Blues deserve to be in the final and I hope we do continue to play the Australian teams.
One thing I will say, is that I preferred the one round of Super Rugby TT to another round of Super Rugby Aotearoa. SRA was better but playing each team twice will be enough. The worrying thing is that any Pacific franchise will be a lot less competitive than even the 'Tahs were.
Would the Canes have had a home final?
Yup. 4 bonus point wins in the other games.
Wouldn’t have the home final though? Points diff would still be behind
Blues only got 23 points. They might have beaten the Force with a bonus point if they had to though.
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@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The competition is a farce. Basically everyone here would accept that the Hurricanes are the worst NZ side in Super Rugby this season. That is not a controversial opinion - after all, we were the only team to not make a final in 2021. However, we just needed Jordie Barrett to kick one penalty goal and we would have come first and hosted the final. In what sort of competition should the worst NZ team be in such a box seat?
What if we won the final? How would I feel about that? Stoked, for sure. However, would there be a ticker-tape parade? Would the kids take a day off school? Would it compare (at all) to 2016? The answer is assuredly no.
It is a fucked competition where you can go 5/5 and not make the final. Of course, the Crusaders do only have themselves to blame. They should have secured more four try bonus points and they should have pumped the Rebels by more. The Highlanders and Blues deserve to be in the final and I hope we do continue to play the Australian teams.
One thing I will say, is that I preferred the one round of Super Rugby TT to another round of Super Rugby Aotearoa. SRA was better but playing each team twice will be enough. The worrying thing is that any Pacific franchise will be a lot less competitive than even the 'Tahs were.
Would the Canes have had a home final?
Yup. 4 bonus point wins in the other games.
Then, under this tournament’s rules, they’d have deserved it.
I dont think its a great format (my team was the one screwed the most) but we knew what was required.
In fact, if we go back to round 1, I recall that during the first Chief’s game someone called me Chicken Little when I stated that to make the final you’d need to win every game and basically get a bonus point in each.
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@crazy-horse said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@crazy-horse said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
Fuck me, here we go again. According to the Fern the TT comp was meaningless, but it seems only up to the point where the Saders got eliminated. Then when Sader fans take part in a conversation about how the competition could have been better it gets labelled sour grapes - despite the fact it's been talked about relentlessly by supporters of every team for weeks.
The Fern is generally a good place, but seriously, this Crusader bullshit brings the place down. It's almost as though many of you are becoming the new Cantabs.
Rant over.
I think there is a difference between arguing the the competition needs improving and that the results of it are meaningless.
I don't get what you are saying?
See Tim’s reply.
I probably won't understand Tim's reply 😀
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@crazy-horse Well what kind of response do you expect to someone posting that Blues fans are "And also trying to convince themselves that it means something"? In what way is that someone trying to start a conversation?
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@african-monkey said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@sparky I wanna see Tom Coventry or Clarke Dermody breakdance after the game depending on who wins....
100% agree. Razor's led the way, but we want to see other victorious coach dance too. Is a brief robot or a jubilant floss too much to ask for?
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The competition is a farce. Basically everyone here would accept that the Hurricanes are the worst NZ side in Super Rugby this season. That is not a controversial opinion - after all, we were the only team to not make a final in 2021. However, we just needed Jordie Barrett to kick one penalty goal and we would have come first and hosted the final. In what sort of competition should the worst NZ team be in such a box seat?
What if we won the final? How would I feel about that? Stoked, for sure. However, would there be a ticker-tape parade? Would the kids take a day off school? Would it compare (at all) to 2016? The answer is assuredly no.
It is a fucked competition where you can go 5/5 and not make the final. Of course, the Crusaders do only have themselves to blame. They should have secured more four try bonus points and they should have pumped the Rebels by more. The Highlanders and Blues deserve to be in the final and I hope we do continue to play the Australian teams.
One thing I will say, is that I preferred the one round of Super Rugby TT to another round of Super Rugby Aotearoa. SRA was better but playing each team twice will be enough. The worrying thing is that any Pacific franchise will be a lot less competitive than even the 'Tahs were.
Would the Canes have had a home final?
Yup. 4 bonus point wins in the other games.
Then, under this tournament’s rules, they’d have deserved it.
I dont think its a great format (my team was the one screwed the most) but we knew what was required.
In fact, if we go back to round 1, I recall that during the first Chief’s game someone called me Chicken Little when I stated that to make the final you’d need to win every game and basically get a bonus point in each.
True. Crusaders knew that too and they deserve not to win SR TT. That doesn't mean the Blues and Highlanders have the right to say they were as good as the Crusaders over the whole year.
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@tim said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@crazy-horse Well what kind of response do you expect to someone posting that Blues fans are "And also trying to convince themselves that it means something"
I just realised @shark posted that. You do know @shark right? He loves winding you up.
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@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The competition is a farce. Basically everyone here would accept that the Hurricanes are the worst NZ side in Super Rugby this season. That is not a controversial opinion - after all, we were the only team to not make a final in 2021. However, we just needed Jordie Barrett to kick one penalty goal and we would have come first and hosted the final. In what sort of competition should the worst NZ team be in such a box seat?
What if we won the final? How would I feel about that? Stoked, for sure. However, would there be a ticker-tape parade? Would the kids take a day off school? Would it compare (at all) to 2016? The answer is assuredly no.
It is a fucked competition where you can go 5/5 and not make the final. Of course, the Crusaders do only have themselves to blame. They should have secured more four try bonus points and they should have pumped the Rebels by more. The Highlanders and Blues deserve to be in the final and I hope we do continue to play the Australian teams.
One thing I will say, is that I preferred the one round of Super Rugby TT to another round of Super Rugby Aotearoa. SRA was better but playing each team twice will be enough. The worrying thing is that any Pacific franchise will be a lot less competitive than even the 'Tahs were.
Would the Canes have had a home final?
Yup. 4 bonus point wins in the other games.
Then, under this tournament’s rules, they’d have deserved it.
I dont think its a great format (my team was the one screwed the most) but we knew what was required.
In fact, if we go back to round 1, I recall that during the first Chief’s game someone called me Chicken Little when I stated that to make the final you’d need to win every game and basically get a bonus point in each.
True. Crusaders knew that too and they deserve not to win SR TT. That doesn't mean the Blues and Highlanders have the right to say they were as good as the Crusaders over the whole year.
Nice attempted goal post move.
I havent seen anyone make that claim and I am certainly not making that claim.
I’ve said that the final I preferred seeing was Blues/Saders, and if we had a combined table for one round each I’m sure that’s what we would see.
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@crazy-horse And he gets replied to in kind, so your entire whinge was bullshit as usual. Can you understand that?
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@tim said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@crazy-horse And he gets replied to in kind, so your entire whinge was bullshit as usual. Can you understand that?
Yeah, my fault for not reading the names of who makes comments. I do object to the 'as usual' bit though. My whinges are few and far between and normally right on the money. And deep down I know you know I am right 😀
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The competition is a farce. Basically everyone here would accept that the Hurricanes are the worst NZ side in Super Rugby this season. That is not a controversial opinion - after all, we were the only team to not make a final in 2021. However, we just needed Jordie Barrett to kick one penalty goal and we would have come first and hosted the final. In what sort of competition should the worst NZ team be in such a box seat?
What if we won the final? How would I feel about that? Stoked, for sure. However, would there be a ticker-tape parade? Would the kids take a day off school? Would it compare (at all) to 2016? The answer is assuredly no.
It is a fucked competition where you can go 5/5 and not make the final. Of course, the Crusaders do only have themselves to blame. They should have secured more four try bonus points and they should have pumped the Rebels by more. The Highlanders and Blues deserve to be in the final and I hope we do continue to play the Australian teams.
One thing I will say, is that I preferred the one round of Super Rugby TT to another round of Super Rugby Aotearoa. SRA was better but playing each team twice will be enough. The worrying thing is that any Pacific franchise will be a lot less competitive than even the 'Tahs were.
Would the Canes have had a home final?
Yup. 4 bonus point wins in the other games.
Then, under this tournament’s rules, they’d have deserved it.
I dont think its a great format (my team was the one screwed the most) but we knew what was required.
In fact, if we go back to round 1, I recall that during the first Chief’s game someone called me Chicken Little when I stated that to make the final you’d need to win every game and basically get a bonus point in each.
True. Crusaders knew that too and they deserve not to win SR TT. That doesn't mean the Blues and Highlanders have the right to say they were as good as the Crusaders over the whole year.
Nice attempted goal post move.
I havent seen anyone make that claim and I am certainly not making that claim.
I’ve said that the final I preferred seeing was Blues/Saders, and if we had a combined table for one round each I’m sure that’s what we would see.
Yeah, that is what you said. It was the below comment from NZZP which actually kicked this off. He is literally saying that the results the Blues and Highlanders have got against the Aussie teams makes them comparable to the Crusaders. It doesn't. The Crusaders were the best this year.
@nzzp said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@frank said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@nepia said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
I wonder if all this draw/combining tables of two separate competitions would be discussed if the Crusaders hadn’t missed out. 😝
The Chiefs got a shit draw, but they knew what to do to be successful. They weren’t. Same with the other two teams who didn’t make the final.
I am not a Saders supporter, but we all know they are better than both the Blues and Highlanders.
you sure about that?
https://crusaders.co.nz/latest/news/crusaders-secure-narrow-win-over-the-brumbies-to-open-their-trans-tasman-campaign/Their results against Aussies suggests they are at best comparable
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@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The competition is a farce. Basically everyone here would accept that the Hurricanes are the worst NZ side in Super Rugby this season. That is not a controversial opinion - after all, we were the only team to not make a final in 2021. However, we just needed Jordie Barrett to kick one penalty goal and we would have come first and hosted the final. In what sort of competition should the worst NZ team be in such a box seat?
What if we won the final? How would I feel about that? Stoked, for sure. However, would there be a ticker-tape parade? Would the kids take a day off school? Would it compare (at all) to 2016? The answer is assuredly no.
It is a fucked competition where you can go 5/5 and not make the final. Of course, the Crusaders do only have themselves to blame. They should have secured more four try bonus points and they should have pumped the Rebels by more. The Highlanders and Blues deserve to be in the final and I hope we do continue to play the Australian teams.
One thing I will say, is that I preferred the one round of Super Rugby TT to another round of Super Rugby Aotearoa. SRA was better but playing each team twice will be enough. The worrying thing is that any Pacific franchise will be a lot less competitive than even the 'Tahs were.
Would the Canes have had a home final?
Yup. 4 bonus point wins in the other games.
Then, under this tournament’s rules, they’d have deserved it.
I dont think its a great format (my team was the one screwed the most) but we knew what was required.
In fact, if we go back to round 1, I recall that during the first Chief’s game someone called me Chicken Little when I stated that to make the final you’d need to win every game and basically get a bonus point in each.
True. Crusaders knew that too and they deserve not to win SR TT. That doesn't mean the Blues and Highlanders have the right to say they were as good as the Crusaders over the whole year.
Nice attempted goal post move.
I havent seen anyone make that claim and I am certainly not making that claim.
I’ve said that the final I preferred seeing was Blues/Saders, and if we had a combined table for one round each I’m sure that’s what we would see.
Yeah, that is what you said. It was the below comment from NZZP which actually kicked this off. He is literally saying that the results the Blues and Highlanders have got against the Aussie teams makes them comparable to the Crusaders. It doesn't. The Crusaders were the best this year.
@nzzp said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@frank said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@nepia said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
I wonder if all this draw/combining tables of two separate competitions would be discussed if the Crusaders hadn’t missed out. 😝
The Chiefs got a shit draw, but they knew what to do to be successful. They weren’t. Same with the other two teams who didn’t make the final.
I am not a Saders supporter, but we all know they are better than both the Blues and Highlanders.
you sure about that?
https://crusaders.co.nz/latest/news/crusaders-secure-narrow-win-over-the-brumbies-to-open-their-trans-tasman-campaign/Their results against Aussies suggests they are at best comparable
Correct that silly statement started it.
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@crazy-horse said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
Fuck me, here we go again. According to the Fern the TT comp was meaningless, but it seems only up to the point where the Saders got eliminated. Then when Sader fans take part in a conversation about how the competition could have been better it gets labelled sour grapes - despite the fact it's been talked about relentlessly by supporters of every team for weeks.
The Fern is generally a good place, but seriously, this Crusader bullshit brings the place down. It's almost as though many of you are becoming the new Cantabs.
Rant over.
I know I never said it was meaningless, a good structure? No, far from it…but SR has had a bit of a shit structure for ages
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@shark said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
But seriously, I'm legitimately not at all bothered by not making this final. I'd made dinner plans two weeks ago even.
But it'd be nice if the Blues fans acknowledged it's just a little bit of a farce.
It would have been more believable if you had said it was a farce when the Crusaders looked likely to win it.
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@nostrildamus said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@shark said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
But seriously, I'm legitimately not at all bothered by not making this final. I'd made dinner plans two weeks ago even.
But it'd be nice if the Blues fans acknowledged it's just a little bit of a farce.
It would have been more believable if you had said it was a farce when the Crusaders looked likely to win it.
Or perhaps you did and I just could not find it buried in all those old salt mines?@shark did ask what the point of this comp was back around round two after the Aussies hadn't won a game. At that stage most people would have been expecting the Crusaders to win.
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@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The competition is a farce. Basically everyone here would accept that the Hurricanes are the worst NZ side in Super Rugby this season. That is not a controversial opinion - after all, we were the only team to not make a final in 2021. However, we just needed Jordie Barrett to kick one penalty goal and we would have come first and hosted the final. In what sort of competition should the worst NZ team be in such a box seat?
What if we won the final? How would I feel about that? Stoked, for sure. However, would there be a ticker-tape parade? Would the kids take a day off school? Would it compare (at all) to 2016? The answer is assuredly no.
It is a fucked competition where you can go 5/5 and not make the final. Of course, the Crusaders do only have themselves to blame. They should have secured more four try bonus points and they should have pumped the Rebels by more. The Highlanders and Blues deserve to be in the final and I hope we do continue to play the Australian teams.
One thing I will say, is that I preferred the one round of Super Rugby TT to another round of Super Rugby Aotearoa. SRA was better but playing each team twice will be enough. The worrying thing is that any Pacific franchise will be a lot less competitive than even the 'Tahs were.
Would the Canes have had a home final?
Yup. 4 bonus point wins in the other games.
Then, under this tournament’s rules, they’d have deserved it.
I dont think its a great format (my team was the one screwed the most) but we knew what was required.
In fact, if we go back to round 1, I recall that during the first Chief’s game someone called me Chicken Little when I stated that to make the final you’d need to win every game and basically get a bonus point in each.
True. Crusaders knew that too and they deserve not to win SR TT. That doesn't mean the Blues and Highlanders have the right to say they were as good as the Crusaders over the whole year.
Nice attempted goal post move.
I havent seen anyone make that claim and I am certainly not making that claim.
I’ve said that the final I preferred seeing was Blues/Saders, and if we had a combined table for one round each I’m sure that’s what we would see.
Yeah, that is what you said. It was the below comment from NZZP which actually kicked this off. He is literally saying that the results the Blues and Highlanders have got against the Aussie teams makes them comparable to the Crusaders. It doesn't. The Crusaders were the best this year.
@nzzp said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@frank said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@nepia said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
I wonder if all this draw/combining tables of two separate competitions would be discussed if the Crusaders hadn’t missed out. 😝
The Chiefs got a shit draw, but they knew what to do to be successful. They weren’t. Same with the other two teams who didn’t make the final.
I am not a Saders supporter, but we all know they are better than both the Blues and Highlanders.
you sure about that?
https://crusaders.co.nz/latest/news/crusaders-secure-narrow-win-over-the-brumbies-to-open-their-trans-tasman-campaign/Their results against Aussies suggests they are at best comparable
You know that I'm not NZZP, right?
And, again, 'comparable' is quite different to 'as good over the whole year,' especially when we remember that one of those teams literally beat the Saders this year.
People (edit) moaning about others having a go at the Saders is hilarious, it's the Saders fans dismissing the fact that other NZ teams might also be good that is funny here.
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@hydro11 said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
The competition is a farce. Basically everyone here would accept that the Hurricanes are the worst NZ side in Super Rugby this season. That is not a controversial opinion - after all, we were the only team to not make a final in 2021. However, we just needed Jordie Barrett to kick one penalty goal and we would have come first and hosted the final. In what sort of competition should the worst NZ team be in such a box seat?
What if we won the final? How would I feel about that? Stoked, for sure. However, would there be a ticker-tape parade? Would the kids take a day off school? Would it compare (at all) to 2016? The answer is assuredly no.
It is a fucked competition where you can go 5/5 and not make the final. Of course, the Crusaders do only have themselves to blame. They should have secured more four try bonus points and they should have pumped the Rebels by more. The Highlanders and Blues deserve to be in the final and I hope we do continue to play the Australian teams.
One thing I will say, is that I preferred the one round of Super Rugby TT to another round of Super Rugby Aotearoa. SRA was better but playing each team twice will be enough. The worrying thing is that any Pacific franchise will be a lot less competitive than even the 'Tahs were.
Would the Canes have had a home final?
Yup. 4 bonus point wins in the other games.
Then, under this tournament’s rules, they’d have deserved it.
I dont think its a great format (my team was the one screwed the most) but we knew what was required.
In fact, if we go back to round 1, I recall that during the first Chief’s game someone called me Chicken Little when I stated that to make the final you’d need to win every game and basically get a bonus point in each.
True. Crusaders knew that too and they deserve not to win SR TT. That doesn't mean the Blues and Highlanders have the right to say they were as good as the Crusaders over the whole year.
Nice attempted goal post move.
I havent seen anyone make that claim and I am certainly not making that claim.
I’ve said that the final I preferred seeing was Blues/Saders, and if we had a combined table for one round each I’m sure that’s what we would see.
Yeah, that is what you said. It was the below comment from NZZP which actually kicked this off. He is literally saying that the results the Blues and Highlanders have got against the Aussie teams makes them comparable to the Crusaders. It doesn't. The Crusaders were the best this year.
@nzzp said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@frank said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@nepia said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
I wonder if all this draw/combining tables of two separate competitions would be discussed if the Crusaders hadn’t missed out. 😝
The Chiefs got a shit draw, but they knew what to do to be successful. They weren’t. Same with the other two teams who didn’t make the final.
I am not a Saders supporter, but we all know they are better than both the Blues and Highlanders.
you sure about that?
https://crusaders.co.nz/latest/news/crusaders-secure-narrow-win-over-the-brumbies-to-open-their-trans-tasman-campaign/Their results against Aussies suggests they are at best comparable
….when we remember that one of those teams literally beat the Saders this year.
Who was that?
