SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues
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@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@cantab79 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Does any NZ player divide opinions as much as Akira Ioane? There is something about Akira Ioane, people either love him or hate him. People can watch the same game and see completely different performances. Fwiw I thought he was excellent with ball in hand.
The trouble with Akira is he is usually excellent with ball in hand, but too often not without the ball, when he not on he will make a tackle coming straight at him usually, but as soon as the attack goes 5 meters wide of him he switches off and goes into jog mode. I get impression he was a very good college player who ran over top of people frequently, and was no doubt a star of his team, and maybe got into bad habits with rest of his game. I have seen him play what I consider probly 4 real good games in all the times I have watched him.
It's hard to take you seriously with comments like that.
Does four count as all?
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@booboo said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@steven-harris said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
That’s seriously cynical from Taylor ..
After multiple cynical and not too subtle (even though he tried to be) spoils by Taylor was thinking how much he was pissing me off, and how much I'd love him for it when he does it for the ABs.
The three penalties (and possible card for repetitive offensives) don't put you off?
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@snowy said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@steven-harris said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
That’s seriously cynical from Taylor ..
After multiple cynical and not too subtle (even though he tried to be) spoils by Taylor was thinking how much he was pissing me off, and how much I'd love him for it when he does it for the ABs.
The three penalties (and possible card for repetitive offensives) don't put you off?
With Taylor and Coles in the same team we better carry a reserve prop who can throw the ball into the lineout.
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@snowy said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@steven-harris said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
That’s seriously cynical from Taylor ..
After multiple cynical and not too subtle (even though he tried to be) spoils by Taylor was thinking how much he was pissing me off, and how much I'd love him for it when he does it for the ABs.
The three penalties (and possible card for repetitive offensives) don't put you off?
How he didn't get carded for smacking that ball away from the ruck while lying down I don't know.
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Caleb Clarke also is starting to look like a league player - the fear of the sideline seems to have him hamstrung.
I got told off playing at centre as a kid for "cutting back in". I thought I was "straightening the attack" and creating space outside, but Clarke does seem to have a mindset about it now and is a wing It is predictable. A defender can show him the sideline and know where he is going.
I think he is great but it might be where he could get back to the dangerous player that he was last year.
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@snowy said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@steven-harris said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
That’s seriously cynical from Taylor ..
After multiple cynical and not too subtle (even though he tried to be) spoils by Taylor was thinking how much he was pissing me off, and how much I'd love him for it when he does it for the ABs.
The three penalties (and possible card for repetitive offensives) don't put you off?
He gets away with it ...
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@booboo said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@stargazer said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@pakman said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@machpants said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@kiwimurph said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Penalty only?? Wtf.
Was normal tackle, penalty only, he tried to wrap but the guy flew backwards
Tele'a taken out of game by foul play. Feels like it ought to have been yellow.
As it turns out, Tele'a was taken out of the game by the match doctor, not by foul play.
Odd logic ...
Not really if you've read the article posted earlier in the thread, in which Leon MacDonald criticises the match doctor for taking Tele'a out of the game without there being any need for it:
Furious Blues coach Leon MacDonald is demanding answers after the match-day doctor made what he claims was a “silly” mistake early in their defeat to the Crusaders on Sunday. Midfielder Tanielu Tele’a was forced to leave the park in the 15th minute of the Crusaders’ dominant 29-6 bonus point win in Christchurch, despite only being winded, a deflated MacDonald said. Tele’a, who spent a ton of time on the deck after he was clobbered off the ball, was visibly upset after being dragged, while the frustration was also evident among Blues’ coaches in their box.“That was disappointing, that was a big blow for us. Tanielu got winded when he got shot off the ball, he lied down on the ground to get his air back and the game-day doctor ruled him out of the game for no reason, other than he felt he was down too long. “He didn’t even give him a chance to sit an HIA, even though he didn’t get a hit to the head. To lose a player in the first few minutes, that hurt us, it hurt the game plan we practised all week, and we had to change our game plan on the move.” -
@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@cantab79 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Does any NZ player divide opinions as much as Akira Ioane? There is something about Akira Ioane, people either love him or hate him. People can watch the same game and see completely different performances. Fwiw I thought he was excellent with ball in hand.
The trouble with Akira is he is usually excellent with ball in hand, but too often not without the ball, when he not on he will make a tackle coming straight at him usually, but as soon as the attack goes 5 meters wide of him he switches off and goes into jog mode. I get impression he was a very good college player who ran over top of people frequently, and was no doubt a star of his team, and maybe got into bad habits with rest of his game. I have seen him play what I consider probly 4 real good games in all the times I have watched him.
It's hard to take you seriously with comments like that.
Ok enlighten me what are all the real good games he has played. He started last year not even getting on bench for Blues (remember the fat f*** sitting in the stand eating a pie?), he had a few good games, one good test, and really hasn't even held his starting spot in Blues this year. Maybe I was being harsh, but you can't say he has in any year played consistently good rugby, why I get so pissed with him, because of his undoubted potential.
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@stargazer said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@stargazer said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@pakman said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@machpants said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@kiwimurph said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Penalty only?? Wtf.
Was normal tackle, penalty only, he tried to wrap but the guy flew backwards
Tele'a taken out of game by foul play. Feels like it ought to have been yellow.
As it turns out, Tele'a was taken out of the game by the match doctor, not by foul play.
Odd logic ...
Not really if you've read the article posted earlier in the thread, in which Leon MacDonald criticises the match doctor for taking Tele'a out of the game without there being any need for it:
Furious Blues coach Leon MacDonald is demanding answers after the match-day doctor made what he claims was a “silly” mistake early in their defeat to the Crusaders on Sunday. Midfielder Tanielu Tele’a was forced to leave the park in the 15th minute of the Crusaders’ dominant 29-6 bonus point win in Christchurch, despite only being winded, a deflated MacDonald said. Tele’a, who spent a ton of time on the deck after he was clobbered off the ball, was visibly upset after being dragged, while the frustration was also evident among Blues’ coaches in their box.“That was disappointing, that was a big blow for us. Tanielu got winded when he got shot off the ball, he lied down on the ground to get his air back and the game-day doctor ruled him out of the game for no reason, other than he felt he was down too long. “He didn’t even give him a chance to sit an HIA, even though he didn’t get a hit to the head. To lose a player in the first few minutes, that hurt us, it hurt the game plan we practised all week, and we had to change our game plan on the move.”He took a long time to recover from the 'winding'. It was funny when the camera panned to him once it was apparent the Blues were going to get a penalty. He sat up pretty quickly and seemed recovered. Purely coincidental I know.
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@booboo said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@snowy said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@steven-harris said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
That’s seriously cynical from Taylor ..
After multiple cynical and not too subtle (even though he tried to be) spoils by Taylor was thinking how much he was pissing me off, and how much I'd love him for it when he does it for the ABs.
The three penalties (and possible card for repetitive offensives) don't put you off?
He gets away with it ...
Three penalties? Not sure that is getting away with it but it could have been more -that will depend on the ref when he is excused from the match. Hopefully not when he is wearing black.
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@booboo said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@snowy said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@steven-harris said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
That’s seriously cynical from Taylor ..
After multiple cynical and not too subtle (even though he tried to be) spoils by Taylor was thinking how much he was pissing me off, and how much I'd love him for it when he does it for the ABs.
The three penalties (and possible card for repetitive offensives) don't put you off?
He gets away with it ...
Will we be reffed by NZ refs at test level?
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@booboo said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@kev said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crucial said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@machpants said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
A player must not tackle an opponent who is not in possession of the ball.
Sanction: Penalty
The whole dangerous play section says penalty. Once that penalty is decided you decide if it warrants more.
To me that was a prime example of why tackles without the ball are considered dangerous. Plus the player was injured to the point that they couldn’t continue.
Deserved more than a penalty IMO@crucial said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@machpants said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
A player must not tackle an opponent who is not in possession of the ball.
Sanction: Penalty
The whole dangerous play section says penalty. Once that penalty is decided you decide if it warrants more.
To me that was a prime example of why tackles without the ball are considered dangerous. Plus the player was injured to the point that they couldn’t continue.
Deserved more than a penalty IMOThe injury was caused by the way he landed not the contact. Penalty only for me. Unlucky though.
Well he ain't going to land that way unless he is hit dangerously off the ball ...
He might land that way if he recklessly runs into a set defender though...
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@bones said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@kev said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crucial said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@machpants said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
A player must not tackle an opponent who is not in possession of the ball.
Sanction: Penalty
The whole dangerous play section says penalty. Once that penalty is decided you decide if it warrants more.
To me that was a prime example of why tackles without the ball are considered dangerous. Plus the player was injured to the point that they couldn’t continue.
Deserved more than a penalty IMO@crucial said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@machpants said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
A player must not tackle an opponent who is not in possession of the ball.
Sanction: Penalty
The whole dangerous play section says penalty. Once that penalty is decided you decide if it warrants more.
To me that was a prime example of why tackles without the ball are considered dangerous. Plus the player was injured to the point that they couldn’t continue.
Deserved more than a penalty IMOThe injury was caused by the way he landed not the contact. Penalty only for me. Unlucky though.
Well he ain't going to land that way unless he is hit dangerously off the ball ...
He might land that way if he recklessly runs into a set defender though...
I think a penalty was the right punishment. It was a successful dummy run in that he fooled the defender into making the wrong decision. Yeah he got hit, but that is the risk you take. I don't think there was any deliberate foul play from the defender.
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@cantab79 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Does any NZ player divide opinions as much as Akira Ioane? There is something about Akira Ioane, people either love him or hate him. People can watch the same game and see completely different performances. Fwiw I thought he was excellent with ball in hand.
I think it's that sometimes incredibly talented players have attitude problems and some people think the talent outweighs the risks of attitude brain-farts, while other worry it'd cost us points or a game.
A few years back, I wouldn't have wanted Akira anywhere near an AB XV but, all credit to him, he's def. in my 23.
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@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@cantab79 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Does any NZ player divide opinions as much as Akira Ioane? There is something about Akira Ioane, people either love him or hate him. People can watch the same game and see completely different performances. Fwiw I thought he was excellent with ball in hand.
The trouble with Akira is he is usually excellent with ball in hand, but too often not without the ball, when he not on he will make a tackle coming straight at him usually, but as soon as the attack goes 5 meters wide of him he switches off and goes into jog mode. I get impression he was a very good college player who ran over top of people frequently, and was no doubt a star of his team, and maybe got into bad habits with rest of his game. I have seen him play what I consider probly 4 real good games in all the times I have watched him.
It's hard to take you seriously with comments like that.
Ok enlighten me what are all the real good games he has played. He started last year not even getting on bench for Blues ** (remember the fat f* sitting in the stand eating a pie?)**, he had a few good games, one good test, and really hasn't even held his starting spot in Blues this year. Maybe I was being harsh, but you can't say he has in any year played consistently good rugby, why I get so pissed with him, because of his undoubted potential.
You appear to just be doubling down now. He didn't get selected for the ABs on the back of no form last year. As @Kirwan has mentioned multiple times he was being deliberately held back at the start of last season due to the mental health issues (and quite frankly the overworked he'd been in the previous Blues campaigns). Even this year he hasn't been as bad as you're making out. He was topping the Fern MOTM poll for a few weeks there, and there's no higher authority than that.
But, since you appear to want an extra long run then dust off your videotapes from 2018, he was superb all of that season and Evans (who I'm a big fan of as a Magpies boy) made the ABs instead of him despite not playing as well.
But I guess the tone of the bolded bit means that no matter what he does you'll never give him credit.
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@nogusta said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
The injury was caused by the way he landed not the contact. Penalty only for me. Unlucky though.
They red card guys who 'infringe' at contests for the high ball BECAUSE of the way they land not the contact
There will be a citing this week if it's deemed it should have been a cardable offence won't there?
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@crazy-horse not necessarily...Laumape didnt get cited for what most saw as a RC offence...
ANyone got a clip of the incident, I missed it.
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@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nogusta said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
The injury was caused by the way he landed not the contact. Penalty only for me. Unlucky though.
They red card guys who 'infringe' at contests for the high ball BECAUSE of the way they land not the contact
There will be a citing this week if it's deemed it should have been a cardable offence won't there?
Only if they deem it meets RC criteria I believe.
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@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nogusta said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
The injury was caused by the way he landed not the contact. Penalty only for me. Unlucky though.
They red card guys who 'infringe' at contests for the high ball BECAUSE of the way they land not the contact
There will be a citing this week if it's deemed it should have been a cardable offence won't there?
I don’t think it is RC material. Just dangerous foul play that took a player out of the game. IMO the ref team got to caught up in whether they thought it was a shoulder charge forgetting that tackling off the ball (especially with force) is dangerous play itself.
Was lucky to just be a penalty but hen if he was YCd I think we would be debating if that was too harsh.
Very high end of the penalty only spectrum.
