Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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So stoked with how the team went yesterday. Really pleasing to knock them off for well south of 250 and holy shit our bowling unit was hunting in a pack, absolutely Iove it!! Didn't manage to watch much of our batting but great to see Conway and Latham lay that foundation. Surely we bring BJ in at next fall of wicket and tell him to go HAM? the least we can do to try and send him off in style - his keeping was absolutely mint.
Constant fluffing of India aside there was the odd moment they talked about how well NZ are going. Bishop dropped some great stats and Athers also joined in. It wasn't even faint praise lol
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@paekakboyz said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
So stoked with how the team went yesterday. Really pleasing to knock them off for well south of 250 and holy shit our bowling unit was hunting in a pack, absolutely Iove it!! Didn't manage to watch much of our batting but great to see Conway and Latham lay that foundation. Surely we bring BJ in at next fall of wicket and tell him to go HAM? the least we can do to try and send him off in style - his keeping was absolutely mint.
Constant fluffing of India aside there was the odd moment they talked about how well NZ are going. Bishop dropped some great stats and Athers also joined in. It wasn't even faint praise lol
I heard Mike Atherton on the radio yesterday. He said the NZ team were good and for the first time ever in a series man for man NZ had a stronger batting line up than England. Not sure how accurate that is but I always admired him as a player.
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@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
No surprise the coverage is biased towards India.
You only have to visit circinfo and see that India arent dominating. Not alot of articles attached to the test.
If Jamieson was Indian there would be 3 just on him with a full in depth stat based article praising him as the best anyone has ever seen.
I know India cricket are our paying overlords but it would be nice if it was slightly more balanced...I spoke too soon!!
Cricinfo must have realised they needed to do more...
Height, pace, movement, nous: why Kyle Jamieson is close to fast-bowling perfection
New Zealand quick has had extraordinary start to his career ... because he is extraordinary
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@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
No surprise the coverage is biased towards India.
You only have to visit circinfo and see that India arent dominating. Not alot of articles attached to the test.
If Jamieson was Indian there would be 3 just on him with a full in depth stat based article praising him as the best anyone has ever seen.
I know India cricket are our paying overlords but it would be nice if it was slightly more balanced...I spoke too soon!!
Cricinfo must have realised they needed to do more...
Height, pace, movement, nous: why Kyle Jamieson is close to fast-bowling perfection
New Zealand quick has had extraordinary start to his career ... because he is extraordinary
Excellent article. I particularly like the dig about the “helpful” people pointing out he hasn’t played in Asia yet. No shit. Not exactly his fault is it ?
How good is it for NZ cricket that we currently have a guy better than our other class seamers ?
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
No surprise the coverage is biased towards India.
You only have to visit circinfo and see that India arent dominating. Not alot of articles attached to the test.
If Jamieson was Indian there would be 3 just on him with a full in depth stat based article praising him as the best anyone has ever seen.
I know India cricket are our paying overlords but it would be nice if it was slightly more balanced...I spoke too soon!!
Cricinfo must have realised they needed to do more...
Height, pace, movement, nous: why Kyle Jamieson is close to fast-bowling perfection
New Zealand quick has had extraordinary start to his career ... because he is extraordinary
Excellent article. I particularly like the dig about the “helpful” people pointing out he hasn’t played in Asia yet. No shit. Not exactly his fault is it ?
How good is it for NZ cricket that we currently have a guy better than our other class seamers ?
*And then there was Virat Kohli's delivery. This pitched outside off stump, went very straight, and then seamed back sharply. It was essentially an offspinner bowled from 230 centimetres at 138kph. I am not sure how you play that. And apparently, neither is Kohli*Loved that part.
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@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
No surprise the coverage is biased towards India.
You only have to visit circinfo and see that India arent dominating. Not alot of articles attached to the test.
If Jamieson was Indian there would be 3 just on him with a full in depth stat based article praising him as the best anyone has ever seen.
I know India cricket are our paying overlords but it would be nice if it was slightly more balanced...I spoke too soon!!
Cricinfo must have realised they needed to do more...
Height, pace, movement, nous: why Kyle Jamieson is close to fast-bowling perfection
New Zealand quick has had extraordinary start to his career ... because he is extraordinary
Excellent article. I particularly like the dig about the “helpful” people pointing out he hasn’t played in Asia yet. No shit. Not exactly his fault is it ?
How good is it for NZ cricket that we currently have a guy better than our other class seamers ?
*And then there was Virat Kohli's delivery. This pitched outside off stump, went very straight, and then seamed back sharply. It was essentially an offspinner bowled from 230 centimetres at 138kph. I am not sure how you play that. And apparently, neither is Kohli* Loved that part..Kohli was the key wicket and for KJ to have the big moment and pick him up was just sensational. I guess the flipside is they will be thinking exactly the same about KW. This test couldn’t be more poised…..
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@sparky said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Stumps. 101-2. NZ's day but Conway's dismissal slightly takes the edge off it.
Day 2 summary
India 71/7
NZ 101/2Happy news to wake up to - couldn't have hoped for better from when I went to bed.
The forecast is slightly improved on what it was for tonight - so there may be some play - previously it looked like Monday's play would be washed out for sure.
Without making any very specific predictions...
I'd say there's somewhere between 6 and 8 sessions left to play.
We still have 18 wickets in hand.
I don't think Kohli would set us a target with any generosity.
Please bat very, very well in the next session Kane and Rossco (and Henry if and when required)......
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So with the extra day we’ve just completed day 2 effectively is that correct ?
With more rain a result is looking pretty unlikely so far I’d imagine, but as the article that @Virgil shared alludes to it’s fucken good to get a bit of recognition. Perhaps the commentators will bring it up instead of wanking on about glory days of teams who aren’t even in the final.
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@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
All set up for Colin with the bat🙂
Do we really need the endorsement of commentators and opposition fans? The play on the field says it all.
Whining about what people say when your team leaves it all out on the field is pretty lame.
I think it’s a pretty valid gripe considering we’re in an era of NZ cricket that compares with the Windies in the 80s and the Aussies in the 2000s. More wanky articles wouldn’t go amiss.
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@kiwimurph said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Nasser Hussain is good value as a commentator. Enjoy his work.
Yeah he’s a bit like Atherton in that he’s a guy that played for fucken yonks despite being pretty average. I think that makes them humble.
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
era of NZ cricket that compares with the Windies in the 80s and the Aussies in the 2000s
dude.
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
All set up for Colin with the bat🙂
Do we really need the endorsement of commentators and opposition fans? The play on the field says it all.
Whining about what people say when your team leaves it all out on the field is pretty lame.
I think it’s a pretty valid gripe considering we’re in an era of NZ cricket that compares with the Windies in the 80s and the Aussies in the 2000s. More wanky articles wouldn’t go amiss.
Fucken steady on there. Jesus. We've won a champions trophy in Kenya 15 years ago and nothing else.
If the Aussies didn't chicken out of the South Africa tour we in all likelihood wouldn't even be here!
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Wow, what an incredible scorecard to wake up to. Based on the scorecard alone we are well on top, however, given the conditions being well on top can change to being well behind within the space of 30 minutes, so it's still right in the balance. Really great test so far, you know both teams will be mentally shattered at the conclusion given the war of attrition this has been - batmen being given nothing by the bowlers, but at the same time making the bowlers work hard to get their wicket.
Kyle is just incredible for someone so young. He has all of the physical attributes, but more importantly mentally he seems made for test cricket. Just gives the batsmen absolutely nothing, and forces them to take big risks if they want to score off him. Moves it both ways, hits the seam hard, and gets plenty of awkward bounce. He must be an absolute nightmare to face, and he absolutely dominated the Indian top order. And the scariest part about him is that he will only improve from here...
Special shout out to BJ behind the stumps as well - he has been absolutely superb in really challenging conditions.
The rest of the bowlers:
- Boult was really, really good. Had the Indian batsmen under huge pressure trying to guess which balls would go across them, and which would hoop back in. Absolutely did Jadeja as well and really deserved that wicket.
- Southee well below his best but still a threat given how much swing he was getting. Hoping he makes amends in the second innings.
- Wags, we love Wags. Just so insanely consistent. A genuine threat swinging the ball, and can attack the batsmen with the shorter stuff if needed - loved the way he bought Rahane's wicket. I know it looked like Rahane just fell into an easy trap, but given how much concentration was needed to bat out there, setting that trap and chucking a few short balls his way was really smart cricket and Rahane couldn't mentally adjust quickly enough.
- CDG was good, but is not really a threat the way the other bowlers are. I think we over bowled him in the end, although he got past the edge a few times the Indians looked by far the most comfortable batting time against him. We should use him sparingly only.
Awesome platform has now been laid by the openers taking the shine off the ball. The Indians can't swing it like us so rely more on seam movement, which will decrease as the ball gets older. It's the spinners that worry me the most, they just come at you all day long waiting for a small mistake to pounce.
Huge chance for our two best players to take this game by the scruff of the neck and put us in a really dominant position. As others have said, a lead of even 50 will be significant, but ideally we want to push that past 100 if possible.
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@mariner4life said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
era of NZ cricket that compares with the Windies in the 80s and the Aussies in the 2000s
dude.
I said “compares”, I mean that relatively. Latham, Taylor, Nicholls, Watling, Wagner, Southee and Boult are all very, very good by international standards and obviously amongst NZ crickets all time greats ( shallow pool though ). KW is an all time world great. Conway and Jamieson could not have made more compelling starts to their careers which I hope they continue.
CDGH has a great mullet.
Yeah ok, fair enough, we’re not quite there but we’re fucken good ok ?
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@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
All set up for Colin with the bat🙂
Do we really need the endorsement of commentators and opposition fans? The play on the field says it all.
Whining about what people say when your team leaves it all out on the field is pretty lame.
Yeah - to be honest, I haven't really even noticed it.
I thought the commentators overstated and labored a bit how poorly we supposedly bowled in the first hour on day 1, but I've got the replay going in the background right now and the commentators seem to be saying plenty of nice things about us.
At the end of the day, they're commentating for about 1.5 billion Indians and 5 million neutrals, so it's going to be a bit tailored to the majority audience.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
And to round out thoughts on the match situation...the TAB currently says
Draw $1.32
NZ $3.90
India $11Don't forget - if the match is drawn - we share the title.
Those are crazy odds for India.
They could easily roll us for under 200 and build up a big lead. -
