Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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Weird tidbit more than half the side that won the final (Williamson, Taylor, Southee, Boult, Wagner and Watling) all played in This test in August 2012 against the West Indies which they lost by 5 wickets.
Hard to believe they were just five players away from being the best test side in the world at that stage.
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I see that Timmy from Oz hasn't stopped whinging.
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@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I see that Timmy from Oz hasn't stopped whinging.
Get fucked Tim. You’re embarrassing yourself even more now.
Maybe if you were more like Adam Gilchrist your team would have done better.
Your team was docked points by one your Australian predecessors in David Boon.
If he keeps going like this he’s in serious danger of usurping Brad Haddin as my hatiest Aussie cricketer.
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They didn't make the final because they choked against India in front of their own fans. That should be the toughest pill to swallow.
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@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
They didn't make the final because they choked against India in front of their own fans. That should be the toughest pill to swallow.
And India essentially fielded a B team
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@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
They didn't make the final because they choked against India in front of their own fans. That should be the toughest pill to swallow.
If it was an English or Indian match referee who docked the points he may have a slight point….but it wasn’t, it was a bloke who is about as Aussie as is humanly possible.
So yeah, jog on Tim.
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@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
They didn't make the final because they choked against India in front of their own fans. That should be the toughest pill to swallow.
I seem to remember at the time that they didn't care. The time wasting was deliberate and they backed themselves to get wins to make up for it.
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Not sure how accurate this article is, did those four Windies quicks really only play SIX tests together ? ( I have vague memories of Colin Croft having an outstanding but short career too ).
Whilst I love what our boys have done I’m not sure they’re at that level.
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@rapido said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I don't know if it was inconsistent or not. But that in itself is a problem. It's very opaque.
Too dry and boring to be reported on, maybe?
It is up to the umpires and match referee to decide whether to 'lay charges' so yes there will be inconsistencies in the human element of application.
However, the umps are in the best position to make that call as they will be fully aware of what is going on out in the middle and whether it was an inevitable situation or deliberate slowness as a tactic or to keep certain bowlers operating.
The funny thing here is the karma. The 90 over minimum was only brought in after whinging by Oz because they didn't like those big mean Windies fast bowlers coming at them all day. -
Regarding Tim Paines moaning...
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@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rapido said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I don't know if it was inconsistent or not. But that in itself is a problem. It's very opaque.
Too dry and boring to be reported on, maybe?
It is up to the umpires and match referee to decide whether to 'lay charges' so yes there will be inconsistencies in the human element of application.
However, the umps are in the best position to make that call as they will be fully aware of what is going on out in the middle and whether it was an inevitable situation or deliberate slowness as a tactic or to keep certain bowlers operating.
The funny thing here is the karma. The 90 over minimum was only brought in after whinging by Oz because they didn't like those big mean Windies fast bowlers coming at them all day.I think that is revisionist bollocks.
The ACB and (especially) Packer couldn't get enough of them, kept inviting them back as often as possible.I recall there was a very vocal anti-windian journalist or editor from England who banged the drums on (especially) initimidatory bowling and over rates, but can't remember who it was. I looked up the Wisden editors but don't recognise him in those names.
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Not sure how accurate this article is, did those four Windies quicks really only play SIX tests together ? ( I have vague memories of Colin Croft having an outstanding but short career too ).
Whilst I love what our boys have done I’m not sure they’re at that level.
It probably is.
Roberts was near the end of his career when Marshall came on the scene. And as you point out, Croft was in the mix - as well as a production line of guys who played bit parts - Wayne Daniel, Winston Davis, Patrick Patterson, Sylvester Clarke, etc - any of whom we would have loved to have had.
It's interesting that Chappell picks Roberts as the scariest he face. I wonder if he faced Croffie? Probably in WSC. He was a scary mother - from what I've read, might have been a bit unbalanced. I recall Viv Richards said (after Croft became a pilot) that if he ever heard "This is your captain Croft speaking", he'd get off the plane!
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Same WTC cycle. Seems consistent to me.
South Africa docked six WTC points, fined 60% match fees for slow over-rate
Faf du Plessis' team charged after falling three overs short of target in absence of a spinner
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Not sure how accurate this article is, did those four Windies quicks really only play SIX tests together ? ( I have vague memories of Colin Croft having an outstanding but short career too ).
Whilst I love what our boys have done I’m not sure they’re at that level.
It probably is.
Roberts was near the end of his career when Marshall came on the scene. And as you point out, Croft was in the mix - as well as a production line of guys who played bit parts - Wayne Daniel, Winston Davis, Patrick Patterson, Sylvester Clarke, etc - any of whom we would have loved to have had.
It's interesting that Chappell picks Roberts as the scariest he face. I wonder if he faced Croffie? Probably in WSC. He was a scary mother - from what I've read, might have been a bit unbalanced. I recall Viv Richards said (after Croft became a pilot) that if he ever heard "This is your captain Croft speaking", he'd get off the plane!
Relatively speaking Roberts had the “worst” record too, averaging 25. Croft, Bishop and Walsh were all under that and Garner, Ambrose and Marshall had the nerve to average even better than our boy Paddles !
I agree about Croft, he looked pretty unhinged. How he didn’t get banned for life for this is beyond me.
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@nta said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@NTA just tagging you here in case you miss it.
Cheers. TBH shocked that Virgil didn't tag me first.
who dis?
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