Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 I think Mitchell is a better batsman than Colin and I don't expect our 5th seamer to play a defining role.
If we need a 5th seamer we're probably going to need an extra/better batsman more.
Neither exactly strike me as world beaters and what you’re saying has merit but what flips it for me is the experience CDGH brings ( although he might not play if they select Patel )
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@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Cool. Tim Paine has given India the kiss of death.
A bonus chance to put some egg on face.
He's got to say that (and pray like hell it happens) given recent results against us both.
BTW Tim, what's Australia's team looking like for the Final? ... what's that?... you're not? ...
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@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Just in case anybody didn't already think the Walrus was a bit of a douche ..
And we had a PI poachee.
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@newsjunkie said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@godder From an Indian perspective, I'd love to see NZ pick CDG ahead of Patel or Ravindra.
Ravidra Is not in the trimmed squad
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@booboo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Just in case anybody didn't already think the Walrus was a bit of a douche ..
And we had a PI poachee.
From the Pacific Island of South Africa ?
Pfft, his mighty motherland had to resort to stealing a colonial, and a ranga one just like that traitor Prince Harry at that.
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 I think Mitchell is a better batsman than Colin and I don't expect our 5th seamer to play a defining role.
If we need a 5th seamer we're probably going to need an extra/better batsman more.
Neither exactly strike me as world beaters and what you’re saying has merit but what flips it for me is the experience CDGH brings ( although he might not play if they select Patel )
I'm not too bothered about it. I'd just think the batting allrounder is likely to be more use than the bowling allrounder - if you characterize them like that. I also have a memory of CdG's batting being pretty woeful in the CWC Final, when a slightly bigger and more fluent innings would have won it. On the other hand, his bowling was good.
We'll see. I won't be amazed to see both CdG and Patel play at the expense of one of our seamers - and Stead even signaled this possibility on 3 News last night.
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@newsjunkie said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@godder From an Indian perspective, I'd love to see NZ pick CDG ahead of Patel or Ravindra.
Who are you picking for your team newsjunkie?
I'd be pretty happy to see Jadeja sitting in the stands. Big match player!
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 I think Mitchell is a better batsman than Colin and I don't expect our 5th seamer to play a defining role.
If we need a 5th seamer we're probably going to need an extra/better batsman more.
Neither exactly strike me as world beaters and what you’re saying has merit but what flips it for me is the experience CDGH brings ( although he might not play if they select Patel )
I'm not too bothered about it. I'd just think the batting allrounder is likely to be more use than the bowling allrounder - if you characterize them like that. I also have a memory of CdG's batting being pretty woeful in the CWC Final, when a slightly bigger and more fluent innings would have won it. On the other hand, his bowling was good.
We'll see. I won't be amazed to see both CdG and Patel play at the expense of one of our seamers - and Stead even signaled this possibility on 3 News last night.
We have 10 world class players, I'd be seriously passed off if they left one of them out.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 I think Mitchell is a better batsman than Colin and I don't expect our 5th seamer to play a defining role.
If we need a 5th seamer we're probably going to need an extra/better batsman more.
Neither exactly strike me as world beaters and what you’re saying has merit but what flips it for me is the experience CDGH brings ( although he might not play if they select Patel )
I'm not too bothered about it. I'd just think the batting allrounder is likely to be more use than the bowling allrounder - if you characterize them like that. I also have a memory of CdG's batting being pretty woeful in the CWC Final, when a slightly bigger and more fluent innings would have won it. On the other hand, his bowling was good.
We'll see. I won't be amazed to see both CdG and Patel play at the expense of one of our seamers - and Stead even signaled this possibility on 3 News last night.
Me neither. It’s a pretty silly argument really all things considered, It’s not like we’re comparing Gary Sobers and Imran Khan after all.
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@no-quarter Yeah - It's why I'll be pretty happy if they decide the pitch doesn't warrant playing a spinner.
But, if Ajaz plays - then I'm not comfortable with a tail that begins with Kyle at 7. And I wonder about the merits of playing four specialists seamers - and a spinner - and just five specialist batsmen. It's unbalanced.
To counter Te Waio, we're going to have Cully at centre trying to fit everyone in.
The more I think about it - the more I'm leaning towards CdG plays regardless.
Edit: MN5 - if that happens, then I'm much happier with Colin than Mtch Jr., because he's a significantly better 4th seamer.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@no-quarter Yeah - It's why I'll be pretty happy if they decide the pitch doesn't warrant playing a spinner.
But, if Ajaz plays - then I'm not comfortable with a tail that begins with Kyle at 7. And I wonder about the merits of playing four specialists seamers - and a spinner - and just five specialist batsmen. It's unbalanced.
To counter Te Waio, we're going to have Cully at centre trying to fit everyone in.
The more I think about it - the more I'm leaning towards CdG plays regardless.
Edit: MN5 - if that happens, then I'm much happier with Colin than Mtch Jr., because he's a significantly better 4th seamer.
Well you’ve certainly changed your tune since yesterday
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I can't see the alternative dimension where removing Jamieson or Wagner is balanced out by Patel and CDG. It just doesn't work.
I can see adding a spinner to the arsenal as we need to take 20 wickets.
I can see adding CDG to the four quicks to help with rest and rotation and give the last bat some support. -
@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I can't see the alternative dimension where removing Jamieson or Wagner is balanced out by Patel and CDG. It just doesn't work.
I can see adding a spinner to the arsenal as we need to take 20 wickets.
I can see adding CDG to the four quicks to help with rest and rotation and give the last bat some support.The thought of either of them not playing absolutely repulses me.
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I found this a good read as the countdown continues, supposedly we were a whingeing D grade australia..interesting point of view
This is us: New Zealand's climb to the top
From whingers no one liked to opponents every one adores, New Zealand are the feel-good drama we all want to binge on
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@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I can't see the alternative dimension where removing Jamieson or Wagner is balanced out by Patel and CDG. It just doesn't work.
I can see adding a spinner to the arsenal as we need to take 20 wickets.
I can see adding CDG to the four quicks to help with rest and rotation and give the last bat some support.Actually, I think it would be Boult or Wagner.
I simply don't think we should play five specialist bowlers - so if Ajaz plays, it's got to be because they think he'll provide more value than one of of the four best seamers.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I can't see the alternative dimension where removing Jamieson or Wagner is balanced out by Patel and CDG. It just doesn't work.
I can see adding a spinner to the arsenal as we need to take 20 wickets.
I can see adding CDG to the four quicks to help with rest and rotation and give the last bat some support.Actually, I think it would be Boult or Wagner.
I simply don't think we should play five specialist bowlers - so if Ajaz plays, it's got to be because they think he'll provide more value than one of of the four best seamers.
……and I still think that’s what Jamieson is. All this “all rounder” talk could do is place pressure which he doesn’t need.
As decent as Patel was I don’t see him usurping any of our four pacemen.
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I don't think CdG is the panacea that everyone thinks he is, in the 8 tests he's played outside NZ, he scored 303 runs at an average of 21.64 (only 1 not out: at Lords last test) which is almost 15 runs below his overall average.
His bowling is also not as flash away, bowled 217 ocers for 14 wickets @ 35.28 (about 3.5 runs higher than his home average) with a strike rate of 1 wicket every 93 balls) . Half his away wickets came on the Aussie Tour where IIRC some of them were basically obtained during aa search for quick declaration runs
Frankly he is exactly the sort of medium pacer that the Indians will feast upon and at the Rosebowl with a high probability that the pitch could be used for 6 days, and is usually offering significant turn by the 4th day, I just don't see a tangible benefit as a bowling option. Patel also has the benefit that he gets through his overs very quickly which is a PITA for batters to deal with. It's one of the reasons Ashwin and Jadeja are so scary - they motor through their overs and you've got very little time to take stock
