Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
What did we do to Holding?
Think NZ have bowled Average, England just poor. Said it about 10 times. After going on and on yday about dropped catches, seems he cannot give us credit.
Why the fucks he commentating anyway?
Yeah I don't understand why they canned Gower and Botham but kept Holding.
Found some old scribblings on notepads?
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The 12th man answered this question 30 years ago
Aussies love me, because I sound so cool
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@mn5 I think high 20s is fair, although we still have to remember that the primary job is to take wickets - if we're cleaning up the other team for not much, the runs don't matter as often.
One nagging question I have is whether Patel can spin out the Indians - they are a bit better against spin than the English.
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@godder said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 I think high 20s is fair, although we still have to remember that the primary job is to take wickets - if we're cleaning up the other team for not much, the runs don't matter as often.
One nagging question I have is whether Patel can spin out the Indians - they are a bit better against spin than the English.
Yeah I guess that’s the whole balancing act of any team. If Patel plays then it would be extremely rough to drop any of the four pace bowlers so it becomes horses for courses but possibly harsh to burden Jamieson with batting expectations too. Would another option ( down the line, not now ) be for them to shoehorn Young in there, have Blundell at seven and then the bowlers? A team of that equivalent makeup never did the Windies any harm in their glory days.
Patel has done well but let’s be honest, the bar had been set very fucken low.
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I really need to stop listening to talkback.
Some moron just rung and suggested they drop Boult or Southee for Henry.
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I watched nearly all of that day, which for an old man in a non favourable time zone, took a bit of doing🙂.
The Taylor Nicholls partnership started from scratch with a new ball introduced and possibly England's best ever new ball bowlers. It was basically our Ross vs those two. The partnership got to 52 off 72 balls. That's fucken good. We were whittling away the deficit at 4 and a bit per over. Taylor took it upon himself to go after England in this first hour. He played big shots against the new ball and ran deft singles throughout. He could have bobbed and weaved and "seen" out the new dukes, but no, he took it too them with body shots, to mangle a boxing metaphor.
It was great! Broad nearly foiled him with an expert bouncer but England's fielding is as shit and pea hearted as everything else they do. Rossco just about got us level, but his innings and strategy was the senior batter directly taking on the opposition. I asked for a leadership innings and rossco delivered, even when out of form. Fucken great. I'll force myself to remember that knock when I get irrationally bitchy at Taylor in the future. Sometimes the stats say less than the body language of a session. This was one of those times. Rossco searched for and exposed all sorts of cracks. He didn't strut but he didn't bow either. He stared them in the face and stood tall, stoic and non plussed throughout.
Contrast that approach with the opposition senior batsman's innings.
Occasionally as a Black Caps fan you're in the right place at the right time to witness a bit of history. A bit of unexpected success. Hobart was one of them when Dougie bowled us to victory. Coney and chats vs Pakistan, hadlees gabba test. It's a time when you message your mate in nz at 3am, knowing he's asleep but hoping you'll wake him with "are you watching this mate?"
Yesterday was that occasion to savour. The long drawn out 90 minutes of bliss watching us roast these fluffybunnies and thinking, " we've got them 7 down for negative 9" is delicious 🙂. The face of Joe Root like a startled rabbit for a 50 ball 5 while the batsmen he'd written off at lords fulfilled his expectations of them. The smile on Ajaz's face after he set him up too close to cut and a tad of extra bounce.
So many things to savour during that pom innings. A great day to be a nz cricket fan watching your "B" team set up an overseas series win!
Nobody wins test series'away these days, (except India in Aus😉) and now we're on the verge of beating an england team that is so scared of failure they've forgotten how to play, let alone win.A lovely day to ruin sleep patterns and watch the Ilford 2nd XI silence a fancy dress party 😁
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@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I watched nearly all of that day, which for an old man in a non favourable time zone, took a bit of doing🙂.
The Taylor Nicholls partnership started from scratch with a new ball introduced and possibly England's best ever new ball bowlers. It was basically our Ross vs those two. The partnership got to 52 off 72 balls. That's fucken good. We were whittling away the deficit at 4 and a bit per over. Taylor took it upon himself to go after England in this first hour. He played big shots against the new ball and ran deft singles throughout. He could have bobbed and weaved and "seen" out the new dukes, but no, he took it too them with body shots to mangle a boxing metaphor.
It was great! Broad nearly foiled him with an expert bouncer but England's fielding is as shit and pea hearted as everything else they do. Rossco just about got us level, but his innings and strategy was the senior batter directly taking on the opposition. I asked for a leadership innings and rossco delivered, even when out of form. Fucken great. I'll force myself to remember that knock when I get irrationally bitchy at Taylor in the future. Sometimes the stats say less than the body language of a session. This was one of those times. Rossco exposed all sorts of cracks.
Contrast that approach with the opposition senior batsman's innings.
Occasionally as a Black Caps fan you're in the right place at the right time to witness a bit of history. A bit of unexpected success. Hobart was one of them when Dougie bowled us to victory. Coney and chats vs Pakistan, hadlees gabba test. It's a time when you message your mate in nz at 3am, knowing he's asleep but hoping you'll wake him with "are you watching this mate?"
Yesterday was that occasion to savour. The long drawn out 90 minutes of bliss watching us roast these fluffybunnies and thinking, " we've got them 7 down for negative 9" is delicious 🙂. The face of Joe Root like a startled rabbit for a 50 ball 4 while the batsmen he'd written off at lords fulfilled his expectations of them. The smile on Ajaz's face after he set him up too close to cut and a tad of extra bounce.
So many things to savour during that pom innings. A great day to be a nz cricket fan watching your "B" team set up an overseas series win!
Nobody wins test series'away these days, (except India in Aus😉) and now we're on the verge of beating an england team that is so scared of failure they've forgotten how to play, let alone win.A lovely day to ruin sleep patterns and watch the Ilford 2nd XI silence a fancy dress party 😁
Undoubtedly my best ever sick day watching that game. I’d still happily buy him a beer for that performance alone ( even if I bristle when he is referred to as an all rounder )
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I really need to stop listening to talkback.
Some moron just rung and suggested they drop Boult or Southee for Henry.
We're all in agreement about our first "ten" right?
Are we also in agreement that whoever takes the remaining spot will be ok. Are we going to quibble over 9% of the team ruining the other 91%?
Personally I favour Darryl's outs wingers against the Indians but have no argument if experience (satnav), spinning, ( Patel) or containment with a chance of a session turning innings, (CDH) is deemed ,( by Kane, don't forget) to be the solution to a very minor problem.
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@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I really need to stop listening to talkback.
Some moron just rung and suggested they drop Boult or Southee for Henry.
We're all in agreement about our first "ten" right?
Are we also in agreement that whoever takes the remaining spot will be ok. Are we going to quibble over 9% of the team ruining the other 91%?
Personally I favour Darryl's outs wingers against the Indians but have no argument if experience (satnav), spinning, ( Patel) or containment with a chance of a session turning innings, (CDH) is deemed ,( by Kane, don'tforget) to be the solution to a very minor problem.
Whichever way it goes we’ll still field our strongest ever test line up. It just depends if there’s a slight balance more towards batting or bowling…..
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I really need to stop listening to talkback.
Some moron just rung and suggested they drop Boult or Southee for Henry.
We're all in agreement about our first "ten" right?
Are we also in agreement that whoever takes the remaining spot will be ok. Are we going to quibble over 9% of the team ruining the other 91%?
Personally I favour Darryl's outs wingers against the Indians but have no argument if experience (satnav), spinning, ( Patel) or containment with a chance of a session turning innings, (CDH) is deemed ,( by Kane, don'tforget) to be the solution to a very minor problem.
Whichever way it goes we’ll still field our strongest ever test line up. It just depends if there’s a slight balance more towards batting or bowling…..
Exactly! And either way with that balance we've got enough bats and bowlers anyway. If the "ten" can't secure a win, it won't be the "eleventh's" fault
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@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I really need to stop listening to talkback.
Some moron just rung and suggested they drop Boult or Southee for Henry.
We're all in agreement about our first "ten" right?
Are we also in agreement that whoever takes the remaining spot will be ok. Are we going to quibble over 9% of the team ruining the other 91%?
Personally I favour Darryl's outs wingers against the Indians but have no argument if experience (satnav), spinning, ( Patel) or containment with a chance of a session turning innings, (CDH) is deemed ,( by Kane, don'tforget) to be the solution to a very minor problem.
Whichever way it goes we’ll still field our strongest ever test line up. It just depends if there’s a slight balance more towards batting or bowling…..
Exactly! And either way with that balance we've got enough bats and bowlers anyway. If the "ten" can't secure a win, it won't be the "eleventh's" fault
….and it’s easy to gripe over the fact that whatever All Rounder that inevitably gets picked won’t be as good as Stokes/Holder/Ashwin/Ul Hasan or whoever……but the rest of our team is the shit !
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I'm still trying to fully understand why the game was moved from Lords, other than to give the Indians a fighting chance. Quarantine is not exactly difficult to manage regardless of where they play.
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@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I'm still trying to fully understand why the game was moved from Lords, other than to give the Indians a fighting chance. Quarantine is not exactly difficult to manage regardless of where they play.
If its because the wicket is more spin friendly Ajaz has to play. The perceived drop in run output by leaving CDG or Santner is far outweighed by having a legitimate attacking spinner
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@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 👍...he might play like one of those guys though eh? I mean imagine if our 11th grabs his precious opportunity and puts in a personal best? Ain't that is what team sport and unity (shudder) is all about?😉
Indeed, but then again our two brilliant newbies ( Conway and Jamieson ) might simultaneously crumble under pressure and shit the bed.
Based on all of that we should ban all comments from now on cos we might jinx everyone.
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@no-quarter to be fair the Indian covid produced all sorts of hysteria at that time of that decision. Something about a hotel on the ground.
But yes, political hysteria interfering with sport and ignoring that everyone had months to safeguard the participants with VIP virus precautions.
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Just watching the extended highlights, man the crowd was loud, like a football match
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 👍...he might play like one of those guys though eh? I mean imagine if our 11th grabs his precious opportunity and puts in a personal best? Ain't that is what team sport and unity (shudder) is all about?😉
Indeed, but then again our two brilliant newbies ( Conway and Jamieson ) might simultaneously crumble under pressure and shit the bed.
Based on all of that we should ban all comments from now on cos we might jinx everyone.
Sorry mate, lost me there with superstition 😁. My point being how about the 11th's glass is half full rather than half empty? 😉
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@Siam had a big grin on my face reading that post, perfectly put mate. Also laughing my ass off watching the wickets tumble on the extended highlights (fucking love that Spark do these).
It's such a golden era for the Black Caps. Everything about them just oozes class, they make you proud of little old NZ that's for sure. I just love the way they go about their business with no fuss or drama. There's a mental toughness that's been installed across the squad, and the guys coming in are testament to that. Wickets for Henry and Patel, runs for Young. Conway making the opening spot his own. You just know the culture is fucking spot on when you see that happening.
Whatever happens against India in the one-off test, it's been one hell of a journey to get here and we should all be proud as hell of what this group of players have managed to achieve.
We are on top of the world in tests. I truly never ever thought I'd see the day.
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@no-quarter but a trophy would be a fitting way to cap a golden era for NZ cricket
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@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@Siam had a big grin on my face reading that post, perfectly put mate. Also laughing my ass off watching the wickets tumble on the extended highlights (fucking love that Spark do these).
It's such a golden era for the Black Caps. Everything about them just oozes class, they make you proud of little old NZ that's for sure. I just love the way they go about their business with no fuss or drama. There's a mental toughness that's been installed across the squad, and the guys coming in are testament to that. Wickets for Henry and Patel, runs for Young. Conway making the opening spot his own. You just know the culture is fucking spot on when you see that happening.
Whatever happens against India in the one-off test, it's been one hell of a journey to get here and we should all be proud as hell of what this group of players have managed to achieve.
We are on top of the world in tests. I truly never ever thought I'd see the day.
You've nailed it!
Just like you nailed Rossco's change of batting technique on day 2. Well spotted mate!
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Ajaz outscored CDG and Santner at Lord's. I'm not seeing any drop off
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@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@Siam had a big grin on my face reading that post, perfectly put mate. Also laughing my ass off watching the wickets tumble on the extended highlights (fucking love that Spark do these).
It's such a golden era for the Black Caps. Everything about them just oozes class, they make you proud of little old NZ that's for sure. I just love the way they go about their business with no fuss or drama. There's a mental toughness that's been installed across the squad, and the guys coming in are testament to that. Wickets for Henry and Patel, runs for Young. Conway making the opening spot his own. You just know the culture is fucking spot on when you see that happening.
Whatever happens against India in the one-off test, it's been one hell of a journey to get here and we should all be proud as hell of what this group of players have managed to achieve.
We are on top of the world in tests. I truly never ever thought I'd see the day.
It’s definitely extremely satisfying putting an ordinary England side to the sword away from home. They are fucked well and truly.
The fact a perfectly adequate player like Jeet Ravel has been put out to pasture speaks volumes to me, no disrespect, he’d walk into many other test teams but not ours anymore. The starts that Conway, Jamieson and to a lesser extent Young have made to their test careers is wonderful. We have a capable replacement for Watling which worried me prior to this series. When Taylor gives it away Young slots in and gets a regular spot. The quartet of pace bowlers are good enough to trouble anyone.
No need to mention KW, his contribution has been done to death on here.
Make the most of it fellas, it’s a glorious age.
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@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@no-quarter but a trophy would be a fitting way to cap a golden era for NZ cricket
Yeah it fucking would, especially seeing as we won the CWC but had the trophy gifted to England.
I see Shastri has been in the media bemoaning the fact it is a one-off test and not a series, talking about how much work was involved just to get there. But hey, that's sport. It also tells me they are worried as hell about playing us!
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England were 3 down with 30 on the board. The crowd certainly got pretty quiet!
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Yeah I guess that’s the whole balancing act of any team. If Patel plays then it would be extremely rough to drop any of the four pace bowlers so it becomes horses for courses but possibly harsh to burden Jamieson with batting expectations too. Would another option ( down the line, not now ) be for them to shoehorn Young in there, have Blundell at seven and then the bowlers? A team of that equivalent makeup never did the Windies any harm in their glory days.
Patel has done well but let’s be honest, the bar had been set very fucken low.
Why not now?
You are in England with a Dukes ball and a legitimate four prong pace attack - and the next test is in December against the Bangers.
I think there is a very real option to roll four quicks and play one of Blundell or Young at six. Southee, Boult and Jamieson all were intentionally rested and Wagner can go all day. It would not be sustainable for a series - but for the last test for half a year 20 overs a day per bowler is not insurmountable.
To my mind this side is light on batting and a fifty from Young or Blundell in support of one of the top order batsman or Watling is more likely to move the needle for a win than Patel taking 6fer in the fourth innings. I can't imagine any scenario where Mitchell, Santner or CdG are given the ball in an attacking position nor do I trust their batting at the top level under serious pressure.
I'm going to be fine with whatever side Kane picks. I think @shark 's side is the most likely especially after Patel's return this test - but given how proactive they have been with the rotation of the quicks I don't rule it out.
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@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Yeah I guess that’s the whole balancing act of any team. If Patel plays then it would be extremely rough to drop any of the four pace bowlers so it becomes horses for courses but possibly harsh to burden Jamieson with batting expectations too. Would another option ( down the line, not now ) be for them to shoehorn Young in there, have Blundell at seven and then the bowlers? A team of that equivalent makeup never did the Windies any harm in their glory days.
Patel has done well but let’s be honest, the bar had been set very fucken low.
Why not now?
You are in England with a Dukes ball and a legitimate four prong pace attack - and the next test is in December against the Bangers.
I think there is a very real option to roll four quicks and play one of Blundell or Young at six. Southee, Boult and Jamieson all were intentionally rested and Wagner can go all day. It would not be sustainable for a series - but for the last test for half a year 20 overs a day per bowler is not insurmountable.
To my mind this side is light on batting and a fifty from Young or Blundell in support of one of the top order batsman or Watling is more likely to move the needle for a win than Patel taking 6fer in the fourth innings. I can't imagine any scenario where Mitchell, Santner or CdG are given the ball in an attacking position nor do I trust their batting at the top level under serious pressure.
I'm going to be fine with whatever side Kane picks. I think @shark 's side is the most likely especially after Patel's return this test - but given how proactive they have been with the rotation of the quicks I don't rule it out.
I’d be happy with that side but there is an absolute obsession to get an all rounder in there even though all of ours have weaknesses in their games.
Hang on did I read that right, Bangladesh in December ? How exciting !!!!!!! We don’t see them that often.
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@rotated I like your thinking, and have no issues with the 6/1/4 split if we don't have an all rounder good enough. I think too often teams try to shoehorn in an all rounder when they don't offer enough with either the bat or the ball.
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Wag's passion was amazing when he got his wickets. If he gets any more amped up his head would explode
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@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated I like your thinking, and have no issues with the 6/1/4 split if we don't have an all rounder good enough. I think too often teams try to shoehorn in an all rounder when they don't offer enough with either the bat or the ball.
Ajaz got more runs and more wickets than both of them combined
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@rotated fair call man. Throw Young or Blundell into the mix for the 11th spot.
There is an unexplainable psychological comfort for a cricket captain taking the field with 5 genuine bowling options though. Not an insurmountable issue having only 4 though. -
@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated fair call man. Throw Young or Blundell into the mix for the 11th spot.
There is an unexplainable psychological comfort for a cricket captain taking the field with 5 genuine bowling options though. Not an insurmountable issue having only 4 though.What we’d give for a guy like Chris Cairns to address the imbalance in the team currently……
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I’d be happy with that side but there is an absolute obsession to get an all rounder in there even though all of ours have weaknesses in their games.
I think that is more because our pace bowlers are 35, 32,31 and 6ft8in and it just risks putting Williamson into situations where he has to overbowl these guys - although there are plenty of home tests where CdG, Santner or Mitchell's contribution with the ball was negligible.
In this one off test if it gets down to who our fifth bowler is then we are not going to win so it doesn't matter if it is Ajaz Patel, Tom Latham or Craig McMillan making a comeback.
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Also, we do joint win if we draw.
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
What we’d give for a guy like Chris Cairns to address the imbalance in the team currently……
If only there were a hard hitting all rounder with big match temperament and a Kiwi passport in the UK at the moment...
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@MN5 oh yeah mate, and Blundell was actually a standout in the field yesterday. Took everything that came near him (except 1 guzunder) and some great grabs down leg. Really good day with the gloves and we fielded well. My non verifiable claim is that the keeper is a driver of that in a non tangible and non measurable way. Yes, my opinion and bias that a keeper affects the overall fielding performance 😁
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated fair call man. Throw Young or Blundell into the mix for the 11th spot.
There is an unexplainable psychological comfort for a cricket captain taking the field with 5 genuine bowling options though. Not an insurmountable issue having only 4 though.What we’d give for a guy like Chris Cairns to address the imbalance in the team currently……
The bowling all-rounder at 7 from the 70s and 80s was a product of limited batting wicketkeepers and having 4 of the all time greats playing at the same time. That said, 6/1/4 was the West Indies in the 70s and 80s and Australia since then. For a one off test, select a batsman and have Kane roll the arm over if required.
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@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
What we’d give for a guy like Chris Cairns to address the imbalance in the team currently……
If only there were a hard hitting all rounder with big match temperament and a Kiwi passport in the UK at the moment...
Or a hard hitting all-rounder with a big match temperament and a Kiwi passport who's actually eligible for us and has a good test batting record (but needs to improve his bowling average)....
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@shark said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
What we’d give for a guy like Chris Cairns to address the imbalance in the team currently……
If only there were a hard hitting all rounder with big match temperament and a Kiwi passport in the UK at the moment...
Or a hard hitting all-rounder with a big match temperament and a Kiwi passport who's actually eligible for us and has a good test batting record (but needs to improve his bowling average)....
True. What’s the Neesh up to ?
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