Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@no-quarter but a trophy would be a fitting way to cap a golden era for NZ cricket
Yeah it fucking would, especially seeing as we won the CWC but had the trophy gifted to England.
I see Shastri has been in the media bemoaning the fact it is a one-off test and not a series, talking about how much work was involved just to get there. But hey, that's sport. It also tells me they are worried as hell about playing us!
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Yeah I guess that’s the whole balancing act of any team. If Patel plays then it would be extremely rough to drop any of the four pace bowlers so it becomes horses for courses but possibly harsh to burden Jamieson with batting expectations too. Would another option ( down the line, not now ) be for them to shoehorn Young in there, have Blundell at seven and then the bowlers? A team of that equivalent makeup never did the Windies any harm in their glory days.
Patel has done well but let’s be honest, the bar had been set very fucken low.
Why not now?
You are in England with a Dukes ball and a legitimate four prong pace attack - and the next test is in December against the Bangers.
I think there is a very real option to roll four quicks and play one of Blundell or Young at six. Southee, Boult and Jamieson all were intentionally rested and Wagner can go all day. It would not be sustainable for a series - but for the last test for half a year 20 overs a day per bowler is not insurmountable.
To my mind this side is light on batting and a fifty from Young or Blundell in support of one of the top order batsman or Watling is more likely to move the needle for a win than Patel taking 6fer in the fourth innings. I can't imagine any scenario where Mitchell, Santner or CdG are given the ball in an attacking position nor do I trust their batting at the top level under serious pressure.
I'm going to be fine with whatever side Kane picks. I think @shark 's side is the most likely especially after Patel's return this test - but given how proactive they have been with the rotation of the quicks I don't rule it out.
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@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Yeah I guess that’s the whole balancing act of any team. If Patel plays then it would be extremely rough to drop any of the four pace bowlers so it becomes horses for courses but possibly harsh to burden Jamieson with batting expectations too. Would another option ( down the line, not now ) be for them to shoehorn Young in there, have Blundell at seven and then the bowlers? A team of that equivalent makeup never did the Windies any harm in their glory days.
Patel has done well but let’s be honest, the bar had been set very fucken low.
Why not now?
You are in England with a Dukes ball and a legitimate four prong pace attack - and the next test is in December against the Bangers.
I think there is a very real option to roll four quicks and play one of Blundell or Young at six. Southee, Boult and Jamieson all were intentionally rested and Wagner can go all day. It would not be sustainable for a series - but for the last test for half a year 20 overs a day per bowler is not insurmountable.
To my mind this side is light on batting and a fifty from Young or Blundell in support of one of the top order batsman or Watling is more likely to move the needle for a win than Patel taking 6fer in the fourth innings. I can't imagine any scenario where Mitchell, Santner or CdG are given the ball in an attacking position nor do I trust their batting at the top level under serious pressure.
I'm going to be fine with whatever side Kane picks. I think @shark 's side is the most likely especially after Patel's return this test - but given how proactive they have been with the rotation of the quicks I don't rule it out.
I’d be happy with that side but there is an absolute obsession to get an all rounder in there even though all of ours have weaknesses in their games.
Hang on did I read that right, Bangladesh in December ? How exciting !!!!!!! We don’t see them that often.
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@rotated I like your thinking, and have no issues with the 6/1/4 split if we don't have an all rounder good enough. I think too often teams try to shoehorn in an all rounder when they don't offer enough with either the bat or the ball.
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@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated I like your thinking, and have no issues with the 6/1/4 split if we don't have an all rounder good enough. I think too often teams try to shoehorn in an all rounder when they don't offer enough with either the bat or the ball.
Ajaz got more runs and more wickets than both of them combined
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@rotated fair call man. Throw Young or Blundell into the mix for the 11th spot.
There is an unexplainable psychological comfort for a cricket captain taking the field with 5 genuine bowling options though. Not an insurmountable issue having only 4 though. -
@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated fair call man. Throw Young or Blundell into the mix for the 11th spot.
There is an unexplainable psychological comfort for a cricket captain taking the field with 5 genuine bowling options though. Not an insurmountable issue having only 4 though.What we’d give for a guy like Chris Cairns to address the imbalance in the team currently……
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I’d be happy with that side but there is an absolute obsession to get an all rounder in there even though all of ours have weaknesses in their games.
I think that is more because our pace bowlers are 35, 32,31 and 6ft8in and it just risks putting Williamson into situations where he has to overbowl these guys - although there are plenty of home tests where CdG, Santner or Mitchell's contribution with the ball was negligible.
In this one off test if it gets down to who our fifth bowler is then we are not going to win so it doesn't matter if it is Ajaz Patel, Tom Latham or Craig McMillan making a comeback.
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
What we’d give for a guy like Chris Cairns to address the imbalance in the team currently……
If only there were a hard hitting all rounder with big match temperament and a Kiwi passport in the UK at the moment...
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@MN5 oh yeah mate, and Blundell was actually a standout in the field yesterday. Took everything that came near him (except 1 guzunder) and some great grabs down leg. Really good day with the gloves and we fielded well. My non verifiable claim is that the keeper is a driver of that in a non tangible and non measurable way. Yes, my opinion and bias that a keeper affects the overall fielding performance 😁
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated fair call man. Throw Young or Blundell into the mix for the 11th spot.
There is an unexplainable psychological comfort for a cricket captain taking the field with 5 genuine bowling options though. Not an insurmountable issue having only 4 though.What we’d give for a guy like Chris Cairns to address the imbalance in the team currently……
The bowling all-rounder at 7 from the 70s and 80s was a product of limited batting wicketkeepers and having 4 of the all time greats playing at the same time. That said, 6/1/4 was the West Indies in the 70s and 80s and Australia since then. For a one off test, select a batsman and have Kane roll the arm over if required.
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@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
What we’d give for a guy like Chris Cairns to address the imbalance in the team currently……
If only there were a hard hitting all rounder with big match temperament and a Kiwi passport in the UK at the moment...
Or a hard hitting all-rounder with a big match temperament and a Kiwi passport who's actually eligible for us and has a good test batting record (but needs to improve his bowling average)....
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@shark said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
What we’d give for a guy like Chris Cairns to address the imbalance in the team currently……
If only there were a hard hitting all rounder with big match temperament and a Kiwi passport in the UK at the moment...
Or a hard hitting all-rounder with a big match temperament and a Kiwi passport who's actually eligible for us and has a good test batting record (but needs to improve his bowling average)....
True. What’s the Neesh up to ?
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A main weapon for Boults success historically has been swing.
Noticed in NZ and test in England he invariably bowls the ball with a scrambled seam. As a result lost swing.
Very noticeable yesterday. His wicket was a straight one on the stumps. England batters had no difficulty with Boult yesterday.Wagner, Southee, Henry, Jamieson all swinging it nicely due to good seam presentation.
This needs sorting ASAP
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@berniescorner said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
A main weapon for Boults success historically has been swing.
Noticed in NZ and test in England he invariably bowls the ball with a scrambled seam. As a result lost swing.
Very noticeable yesterday. His wicket was a straight one on the stumps. England batters had no difficulty with Boult yesterday.Wagner, Southee, Henry, Jamieson all swinging it nicely due to good seam presentation.
This needs sorting ASAP
yet despite all this he still got four wickets in the first innings.
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@berniescorner said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
A main weapon for Boults success historically has been swing.
Noticed in NZ and test in England he invariably bowls the ball with a scrambled seam. As a result lost swing.
Very noticeable yesterday. His wicket was a straight one on the stumps. England batters had no difficulty with Boult yesterday.Wagner, Southee, Henry, Jamieson all swinging it nicely due to good seam presentation.
This needs sorting ASAP
yet despite all this he still got four wickets in the first innings.
In his first test outing for months
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@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@berniescorner said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
A main weapon for Boults success historically has been swing.
Noticed in NZ and test in England he invariably bowls the ball with a scrambled seam. As a result lost swing.
Very noticeable yesterday. His wicket was a straight one on the stumps. England batters had no difficulty with Boult yesterday.Wagner, Southee, Henry, Jamieson all swinging it nicely due to good seam presentation.
This needs sorting ASAP
yet despite all this he still got four wickets in the first innings.
In his first test outing for months
I'm almost guilty to be feeling pretty bullish about our chances. All of our main players have had good outings. In fact Kane is the only one that hasn't gotten a significant score. We have a fine chance to win the chocolates
