Dumbing down of cricket
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@mn5 Agreed. Decent quicks has always been a problem for them but it must be difficult to encourage kids to learn the trade. Even if the pitches were a bit different to get some seam movement, they often don't have the overhead conditions to encourage swing.
And this:
@mariner4life said in Dumbing down of cricket:
crippling poverty for the vast majority, and a repressive class system means they aren't that advantaged really
Sheer weight of numbers won't overcome that from a playing perspective.
They still watch and understand the game though as a populace.
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@snowy said in Dumbing down of cricket:
@mn5 Agreed. Decent quicks has always been a problem for them but it must be difficult to encourage kids to learn the trade. Even if the pitches were a bit different to get some seam movement, they often don't have the overhead conditions to encourage swing.
And this:
@mariner4life said in Dumbing down of cricket:
crippling poverty for the vast majority, and a repressive class system means they aren't that advantaged really
Sheer weight of numbers won't overcome that from a playing perspective.
They still watch and understand the game though as a populace.
Definitely not a problem for neighbours Pakistan though. They’ve produced some of the best fast bowlers ever.
Also poverty doesn’t stop Brazil from dominating football as one example.
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@snowy said in Dumbing down of cricket:
I was going to comment on this yesterday but I was actually speechless / typeless (new word).
They are trying to decimalise cricket and yet they still use statute miles to drive. A measurement based on some Roman blokes "pace", which was in turn based on his foot. They could have used nautical miles which actually make sense, if they couldn't understand the metric system.
Why does everything have to based on the lowest common denominator (I'm being polite I should just say fucking morons)? Should we stop playing chess because it is too hard and make everyone play checkers?
I suspect most will exercise their right to not watch this shit.
How many forms of "cricket", this isn't, really, do we need? What next a one ball game, for those that can only count that high?
I seem to have found my voice about this. Extremely GOM. I'll stop now before I rupture something.
Length of a cricket pitch: 22 yards = 1 chain = 20.1168m
Change it to 20m ... It's only 4.5984252" different ...
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@crucial said in Dumbing down of cricket:
@mn5 said in Dumbing down of cricket:
@snowy said in Dumbing down of cricket:
@crucial said in Dumbing down of cricket:
And using your analogy above they will end up in a similar stupid position of measuring fuel consumption in miles per gallon when you buy the fuel in litres.
Has caused more than one aircraft accident / incident. I won't digress on that.
I am interested in why "out", is so much easier to understand than wicket. Just the single syllable I guess. He's "out", "out" where? Lunch? Having a snooze? Concussed?
Did chuckle at this:
"a dumbing down and “Americanisation”Has some implication that one is related to the other.
The other team took a “wicket” and he got “out”.
Both terms are equally used already !
Yeah. The player was run out, given out, adjudged out (although apparently LBW is too hard to understand)
That applies to many cricket fans
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@booboo said in Dumbing down of cricket:
@crucial said in Dumbing down of cricket:
@mn5 said in Dumbing down of cricket:
@snowy said in Dumbing down of cricket:
@crucial said in Dumbing down of cricket:
And using your analogy above they will end up in a similar stupid position of measuring fuel consumption in miles per gallon when you buy the fuel in litres.
Has caused more than one aircraft accident / incident. I won't digress on that.
I am interested in why "out", is so much easier to understand than wicket. Just the single syllable I guess. He's "out", "out" where? Lunch? Having a snooze? Concussed?
Did chuckle at this:
"a dumbing down and “Americanisation”Has some implication that one is related to the other.
The other team took a “wicket” and he got “out”.
Both terms are equally used already !
Yeah. The player was run out, given out, adjudged out (although apparently LBW is too hard to understand)
That applies to many cricket fans
.....and players
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@booboo said in Dumbing down of cricket:
@snowy said in Dumbing down of cricket:
I was going to comment on this yesterday but I was actually speechless / typeless (new word).
They are trying to decimalise cricket and yet they still use statute miles to drive. A measurement based on some Roman blokes "pace", which was in turn based on his foot. They could have used nautical miles which actually make sense, if they couldn't understand the metric system.
Why does everything have to based on the lowest common denominator (I'm being polite I should just say fucking morons)? Should we stop playing chess because it is too hard and make everyone play checkers?
I suspect most will exercise their right to not watch this shit.
How many forms of "cricket", this isn't, really, do we need? What next a one ball game, for those that can only count that high?
I seem to have found my voice about this. Extremely GOM. I'll stop now before I rupture something.
Length of a cricket pitch: 22 yards = 1 chain = 20.1168m
Change it to 20m ... It's only 4.5984252" different ...
No, no, no. They decided this was the length of the pitch based on some random Roman with a size eleven and a half shoe. It has always been so, and must remain so. Danny Morrison will just have to call it the 20.1168metres in future.
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@snowy said in Dumbing down of cricket:
@MN5 I have some faith that your boy probably already gets it, even if it wasn't used in his previous matches. There's really only 3 things to consider (4 if you include not playing a shot). An edge doesn't count.
Why haven't they gone the whole hog and made 4s and 6s, 5s and 10s? Maths is clearly an issue for most casual cricket watchers.
Will ties be decided by number of boundaries scored too?
Would NEVER happen. Certainly hasn't in my memory. What sort of clown world are you living in?
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@booboo said in Dumbing down of cricket:
@snowy said in Dumbing down of cricket:
@MN5 I have some faith that your boy probably already gets it, even if it wasn't used in his previous matches. There's really only 3 things to consider (4 if you include not playing a shot). An edge doesn't count.
Why haven't they gone the whole hog and made 4s and 6s, 5s and 10s? Maths is clearly an issue for most casual cricket watchers.
Will ties be decided by number of boundaries scored too?
Would NEVER happen. Certainly hasn't in my memory. What sort of clown world are you living in?
I think that they call it England.
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I love innovation and change in sports. We'd all be playing football (soccer) without it.
That said, this is stupid and I don't see anything interesting. And I was a fan of cricket max.
The best innovations start by looking at problems in a sport and trying to improve them. Length of play is clearly a problem and odis and then t20 have tried to address that.
Shorter forms shrink the gap between talented and untalented players by increasing the amount of luck. Max tried to fix that by introducing better rewards for more difficult and more consistent run scoring and more punishment for mistakes (the 4th stump).
I don't understand what problem ecb are trying to fix, other than a shortage of money so let's try sell a new competition.
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@mariner4life said in Dumbing down of cricket:
@nzzp said in Dumbing down of cricket:
@mn5 said in Dumbing down of cricket:
To be honest it’s the “when you’re out you’re out” that I’m worried about ( currently they bat partnerships and lose runs each time they get dismissed ). His first Golden duck will be a sad time.
It'll be a few years if he's playing in NZ. They have done a great job of easing people in - next year will be something like a 9 ball grace period (and retire after 18 deliveries), and then a 6 ball (retire at 21 balls). Ensures kids actually get a game at the weekend -- a decent bat and bowl each week. Fair play to NZC (and I think Martin Snedden)
what? fucking snowflake children
The quicker they learn what an absolute fluffybunny of a game cricket is, the better for their mortal soul. It doesn't matter what level you play, or what your form is like, or how much time you spent in the nets, some days you are going to turn up, bowl 10 overs 0-88, and get a 3rd ball duck, and drop a catch. And your dad won't even be there to watch.
Cricket hates you, and you need to learn that as quickly as possible.
Nothing more deflating than being an opening batsmen, batting first, and getting out in the first over. Not only are you fucking pissed at getting out, you realise you have to hang around for another 5 fucking hours and all you have to look forward to is a bit of bloody fielding. fluffybunny of a game alright, who the hell would play it.
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@no-quarter said in Dumbing down of cricket:
@mariner4life said in Dumbing down of cricket:
@nzzp said in Dumbing down of cricket:
@mn5 said in Dumbing down of cricket:
To be honest it’s the “when you’re out you’re out” that I’m worried about ( currently they bat partnerships and lose runs each time they get dismissed ). His first Golden duck will be a sad time.
It'll be a few years if he's playing in NZ. They have done a great job of easing people in - next year will be something like a 9 ball grace period (and retire after 18 deliveries), and then a 6 ball (retire at 21 balls). Ensures kids actually get a game at the weekend -- a decent bat and bowl each week. Fair play to NZC (and I think Martin Snedden)
what? fucking snowflake children
The quicker they learn what an absolute fluffybunny of a game cricket is, the better for their mortal soul. It doesn't matter what level you play, or what your form is like, or how much time you spent in the nets, some days you are going to turn up, bowl 10 overs 0-88, and get a 3rd ball duck, and drop a catch. And your dad won't even be there to watch.
Cricket hates you, and you need to learn that as quickly as possible.
Nothing more deflating than being an opening batsmen, batting first, and getting out in the first over. Not only are you fucking pissed at getting out, you realise you have to hang around for another 5 fucking hours and all you have to look forward to is a bit of bloody fielding. fluffybunny of a game alright, who the hell would play it.
Graham Gooch got a pair on test debut. If I was him I woulda quit then and there.
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@chris-b said in Dumbing down of cricket:
@snowy said in Dumbing down of cricket:
What next a one ball game, for those that can only count that high?
That's actually got massive marketing potential...I might have a go at promoting it.
I shall call it, "Hitler Cricket"!
Nice work. Have even managed to get Godwin's Law into a stupid concept for some game that isn't cricket. Well done.
The worst thing about it is that it may also be true - not just from the song.
*"A German historian has unearthed the Nazi leader’s long-lost medical records, which seem to confirm the urban legend that he only had one testicle.
The records, taken during a medical exam following Hitler’s arrest over the failed Beer hall putsch in 1923, show that he suffered from “right-side cryptorchidism”, or an undescended right testicle.
The records seem to contradict long-running specualation that Hitler lost one testicle to shrapnel during the Battle of the Somme in the first world war.
That rumour was backed up by Franciszek Pawlar, a Polish priest and amateur historian, who claimed a German army medic who treated Hitler after the shrapnel incident told him about the injury.
The medical records also contradict Hitler’s childhood doctor, who told American interrogators in 1943 that the future Führer’s genitals were “completely normal”.*
How the fuck do I end up in these discussions...
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@mn5 said in Dumbing down of cricket:
I reckon they should have a professional beach cricket league, fuck all fielders but a tennis ball and one hand one bounce would make it deadly for batsmen.
Half the ball has to be covered in insulation tape. That sorts the men from the boys.
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@rapido said in Dumbing down of cricket:
Poms are dumb. Aussie are geniuses. Fact.
Aussie invented new term for sub. Called x fact or. 3 syllables.
Poms find wick et too hard.
To simplify the game away from jargon and non-decimals. I count 4 new jargon now introduced in 6 months, a 5th professional version of the sport has been introduced.
Simple as.
Money well spent. I'm sure it's better value than the zero spend of simply not exasperating Dads away from watching as sick of gimmicks and noise. I mean whoever's heard of a kid getting into a sport because their dad was watching it one day when they were young.
Judging by your grammar then, you'd be a Pom?
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Jesus christ, as NostraMN5 predicted with superb accuracy, completely becoming of his incredible intellect, this thread needs to be merged to the Grumpy Old Man one.
I'm sure the same was said of one day cricket, and T20. I know the same was said of Cricket MAXX. 4 wickets? 12 runs for a 6 over the bowlers head? Ridiculous.
Concepts, are concepts. The point is to try something else out and see how it goes. The point is to try and keep moving kids back to being outdoors playing sport, and less time on screens. To try and attract people to lesser games in order to increase the live experience. To try and get and keep kids interested. To try something.
Far be it for me to be on the other side of this discussion, given that I think all the ideas are quite poor and will never catch on. But this is the point of concepts.
1.2 billion Indians watching cricket, doesn't change the fact that 25 years ago, the Shell cup cricket in NZ had audiences of 15-20k, with the final being a must watch event in front of a sold out Eden / Lancaster Park / Carisbook. And this was when our national team sucked shit.
Whats the status of that now? When our team is the best it ever has been and is about to play in the final of the world test championship??
The horror of trying something eh.
