Same old Russians, always cheating

SammyC

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You mentioned Kenya and Jamaica. Look, I realize these are poor third-world nations where medical labs may not be at the cutting-edges of pharmaceutical performance enhancing technology. Russia is still pretty backwards, maybe it's second-world.
 
But the United States of America is definitely First World, has had SHITLOADS of positive tests, and they ARE on the leading edge of Big Pharma and professional sports. Same goes for Canada, where the public had their eyes rudely opened 27 years ago after decades of finger-pointing at the Soviet-bloc.
 
If it happens in the third world, and it happens in the second world, and it also happens in the first world, then yeah, you're probably going to get some ignorant people who suspect that rugby players might be on the juice and will even shrug their shoulders and tell you it's "obvious.".
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No shit it's not limited to these countries, I mentioned them to make my point.
 
In fact this is what I said...... "it's pretty obvious what's happening (or not happening) in Kenya, Jamaica and probably the rest of the world, but will it ever be revealed?"
 
The leaked data I referred to fingered a number of prominent English and American athletes as almost certainly doping. Paula Radcliffe among others.

mariner4life

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Not my point. PERCEPTION is the point. There's a skeptical audience and there is "obvious-ness." People have told me in the past month they believe ABs are on steroids. Their evidence...? They don't need any. Not when it's so transparently "obvious." And remember, these are people who grew up with Ben. Incredibly skeptical and suspicious people. "Obviously."
 
Many people throwing stones and looking for specks in their brothers eyes, but let me state for the record: There has NEVER been a Kiwi rugby player who even thought of taking a steroid for an advantage and there NEVER will be.
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Are you saying this in Lance Armstrong's voice?
 
I doubt it's steroids. We do finish games very strong....

Crazy Horse

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Were you on a stop-watch? 
I was a paid guinea-pig almost 30 years ago at university (Psych Dept), paid to puff weed and conduct mental and physical exercises. It might have distracted me from cramp pains but it sure didn't improve my motor skills, endurance, nor my speed and agility. 
I may have been the outlier. Or, maybe I simply didn't smoke enough of it.</blockquote>
 
No stop watch. Running is all about relaxation for me. I never time myself because I am way too competitive. I would end up racing the clock and injuring myself. 
I was useless at squash when I had weed. My reactions would be slow. The only other sport I tried after weed was netball. Some games, if I got in the zone, I would be bloody good. Other games I would be shit if my mind was all over the place.

taniwharugby

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Are you saying this in Lance Armstrong's voice?
 
I doubt it's steroids. We do finish games very strong....
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PowerAde bro!

mariner4life

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PowerAde bro!
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corporate shill!

Nepia

Big Energy Drink can't stand for a thread about steroids!

jegga

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Not my point. PERCEPTION is the point. There's a skeptical audience and there is "obvious-ness." People have told me in the past month they believe ABs are on steroids. Their evidence...? They don't need any. Not when it's so transparently "obvious." And remember, these are people who grew up with Ben. Incredibly skeptical and suspicious people. "Obviously."
 
Many people throwing stones and looking for specks in their brothers eyes, but let me state for the record: There has NEVER been a Kiwi rugby player who even thought of taking a steroid for an advantage and there NEVER will be.
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Unless I've fallen into a sarchasm you seem awfully confident about that. I'm not though.

mariner4life

I'm sure he's making a point about something, there is no way he's serious

jegga

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I'm sure he's making a point about something, there is no way he's serious
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If he is it went over my head, I doubt anyone else is going to be as honest about it as Francois Peinaar was though. When did drug testing become part of rugby?

mariner4life

I'm sure they are tested, i am just becoming more and more cynical that a negative result doesn't mean shit

jegga

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I'm sure they are tested, i am just becoming more and more cynical that a negative result doesn't mean shit
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Were players tested before the game went pro? Agree a negative test is fairly meaningless now, the cheating is more sophisticated . Also theres this, which is interesting and I'm not sure how its going to play out in the future. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.richroll.com/podcast/craig-heller/'>http://www.richroll.com/podcast/craig-heller/</a>

TeWaio

Don't rugby players (and soccer) only get urine tested? 
EPO is only detectable by a blood test, and would be perfect for enabling you to go the full 80/90mins at 100%.
 
People (rightly) give cycling and athletics a lots of shit, but at least they have regular (including out of competition) blood testing and a full biological passport systems.
 
If the sophistication of cheats if a function of how much money is in the sport, its a bit laughable that athletics/cycling have way better testing with only a fraction of the $$$ is involved, and are perceived as dirty as sin, while rugby/soccer/NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB is thought of as cleaner.

nostrildamus

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a negative result doesn't mean shit
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Well it does mean piss (apparently).

SammyC

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Don't rugby players (and soccer) only get urine tested? 
EPO is only detectable by a blood test, and would be perfect for enabling you to go the full 80/90mins at 100%. 
People (rightly) give cycling and athletics a lots of shit, but at least they have regular (including out of competition) blood testing and a full biological passport systems. 
If the sophistication of cheats if a function of how much money is in the sport, its a bit laughable that athletics/cycling have way better testing with only a fraction of the $$$ is involved, and are perceived as dirty as sin, while rugby/soccer/NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB is thought of as cleaner.</blockquote>
Wasn't the Spanish football team implicated in the operation Puerto scandal a few years back?

taniwharugby

On NZRU website
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzru.co.nz/what-we-do/regulations'>http://www.nzru.co.nz/what-we-do/regulations</a>
 
New Zealand Rugby is involved in the development and distribution of rugby-related rules and regulations.
Anti-Doping Regulations
As well as supporting the work of the New Zealand Sports Anti-Doping agency and its international partners, New Zealand Rugby supports Keep Rugby Clean, an international initiative aimed at keeping rugby free of drugs and doping.
- <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://bit.ly/1Jq40SV'>New Zealand Sports Anti-Doping Rules</a> (2014)

<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://files.allblacks.com/Legal_and_Judicial/2012_NZRU_Anti-Doping_Regulations.pdf'>New Zealand Rugby Anti-Doping Regulations</a> (2012)
View the <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://nzrugby.co.nz/what-we-do/regulations/anti-doping'>List of Anti-Doping decisions</a>
Competitions Regulations
New Zealand Rugby develops, administers and enforces Regulations for inter-provincial competitions including ITM Cup, Pink Batts Heartland Championship and the Women's Provincial Championship.
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://bit.ly/1KuDhFK'>NZR Competitions Regulations Handbook (2015)</a>
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://bit.ly/1flmhDV'>NZR Black Book of Disciplinary Rules (2015)</a> (current as at August 2015)
Gambling Regulations
New Zealand Rugby is committed to making all efforts within its powers to preserve the fundamental character of sporting competition as an honest test of skill and ability and to prevent corrupt gambling practices from undermining the integrity of the game.
- <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://files.allblacks.com/Legal_and_Judicial/NZRU-Anti-Corruption-and-Betting-Regulations.pdf'>NZR Anti-Corruption and Betting Regulations</a> (2013)

mariner4life

yep, lots of footballers were. Sportsmen from numerous sports were.

NTA

So the last 24 hours has seen everyone start backing away from the "Ban Russia!" comments.
 
IOC: "We don't have the authority"
Russia: "Oh yes comrade, we fucked up a little. Have some sacrificial lambs"
Shady men: "We cannot ban <strike>Soviet</strike> Russia without consequences"
 
So let's continue the charade.
 
Or better yet: OPEN OLYMPICS! Stuff whatever you want through your nose, into your arm, or up your date. If it gives you a kick then who gives a shit if you die in 3 years? Olympic gold!

mariner4life

Tim

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Wasn't the Spanish football team implicated in the operation Puerto scandal a few years back?
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From Wiki:
 
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On 5 July 2006, Fuentes was indignant that only cyclists had been named and said he also worked with tennis and football players.<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operación_Puerto_doping_case#cite_note-elpais.es-2'>[2]</a> On 27 July 2006, <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Association_of_Athletics_Federations' title="International Association of Athletics Federations">IAAF</a> was assured by Spanish prosecutors that no <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_and_field' title="Track and field">track and field athletes</a> were involved.<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operación_Puerto_doping_case#cite_note-noiaaf-56'>[56]</a> On 23 September 2006, former cyclist <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesús_Manzano' title="JesÃºs Manzano">JesÃºs Manzano</a> told reporters from <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_3' title="France 3">France 3</a> that he had seen "well-known <a class="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_football_(soccer)_players" title="Lists of football (soccer) players">footballers</a>" from <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Liga' title="La Liga">La Liga</a> visit the offices of Dr Fuentes.<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operación_Puerto_doping_case#cite_note-57'>[57]</a>
In May 2007 <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepp_Blatter' title="Sepp Blatter">Sepp Blatter</a>, president of <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA' title="FIFA">FIFA</a>, at a <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Anti-Doping_Agency' title="World Anti-Doping Agency">World Anti-Doping Agency</a> meeting in Montreal, was reportedly interested in the contents "of the Puerto file".<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operación_Puerto_doping_case#cite_note-58'>[58]</a><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Monde' title="Le Monde">Le Monde</a> had reported in December 2006 that they had possession of documents of Fuentes detailing "seasonal preparation plans" for Spanish football clubs <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Barcelona' title="FC Barcelona">FC Barcelona</a> and <a class="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Madrid" title="Real Madrid">Real Madrid</a>. These plans did not specifically name any players.<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operación_Puerto_doping_case#cite_note-59'>[59]</a> This news seem to be only rumors, since the French journal lost its trials in 2009 and 2011 against the FC Barcelona because it could not produce any proof of its allegations. In the ultimate judgement, on 14 November 2011, it was condemned to pay 15,000 euros of indemnity for "using false and unverified facts".<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operación_Puerto_doping_case#cite_note-60'>[60]</a>
No other athletes had been named.
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NTA

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Wha?

The Silver Fern

Same old Russians, always cheating