Same old Russians, always cheating

SammyC

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Careful now. 
FWIW, I've heard similar the past month from some North Americans saying the same thing about Kiwi rugby players. 
I don't like it, especially when they say it's "obvious." 
In a skeptical world it's not a difficult deduction to make. They hulk up at the Haka, they hit harder, they run faster, less injuries and greater endurance, the "last quarter," they score more points and are far more successful. 
Deduction: Gottaberoids.</blockquote>
It's obvious because of the multiple athletes from each country that have copped bans for drugs. 
If you follow international athletics at all you'd know that it's the case. <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/oct/30/kenya-jamaica-world-anti-doping-agency">http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/oct/30/kenya-jamaica-world-anti-doping-agency</a> 
Show me a kiwi rugby player who's been busted?

SammyC

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So do carbs and protein. Maybe they need to be put on the list too...? 
Realistically, the only advantage MJ provides an athlete is recovery time & sleep. It's a very mild painkiller and sedative, and it stimulates appetite. And really, it's all relative -- just because MJ isn't as toxic or as addictive or as dangerous as many prescribed legal pharmaceuticals like Oxycontin over the past decade does not mean it enhances performance. It means it's not nearly as damaging to your health.</blockquote>
It also reduces anxiety, and can help focus controlled aggression. Much the same as beta blocker drugs that are also banned. 
It also opens up the lungs and makes them work better. There's been some interesting research lately involving putting people on treadmills. Under the influence of MJ they run both further and faster

Crazy Horse

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It also reduces anxiety, and can help focus controlled aggression. Much the same as beta blocker drugs that are also banned. 
It also opens up the lungs and makes them work better. There's been some interesting research lately involving putting people on treadmills. Under the influence of MJ they run both further and faster
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Some of my best ever long runs were 'under the influence'. It felt like I could run for ever.

red terror

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It's obvious because of the multiple athletes from each country that have copped bans for drugs. 
If you follow international athletics at all you'd know that it's the case. <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/oct/30/kenya-jamaica-world-anti-doping-agency">http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/oct/30/kenya-jamaica-world-anti-doping-agency</a> 
Show me a kiwi rugby player who's been busted?
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Not my point. PERCEPTION is the point. There's a skeptical audience and there is "obvious-ness." People have told me in the past month they believe ABs are on steroids. Their evidence...? They don't need any. Not when it's so transparently "obvious." And remember, these are people who grew up with Ben. Incredibly skeptical and suspicious people. "Obviously."
 
Many people throwing stones and looking for specks in their brothers eyes, but let me state for the record: There has NEVER been a Kiwi rugby player who even thought of taking a steroid for an advantage and there NEVER will be.

red terror

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Some of my best ever long runs were 'under the influence'. It felt like I could run for ever.
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Were you on a stop-watch?
 
I was a paid guinea-pig almost 30 years ago at university (Psych Dept), paid to puff weed and conduct mental and physical exercises. It might have distracted me from cramp pains but it sure didn't improve my motor skills, endurance, nor my speed and agility.
 
I may have been the outlier. Or, maybe I simply didn't smoke enough of it.

SammyC

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Not my point. PERCEPTION is the point. There's a skeptical audience and there is "obvious-ness." People have told me in the past month they believe ABs are on steroids. Their evidence...? They don't need any. Not when it's so transparently "obvious." And remember, these are people who grew up with Ben. Incredibly skeptical and suspicious people. "Obviously."
 
Many people throwing stones and looking for specks in their brothers eyes, but let me state for the record: There has NEVER been a Kiwi rugby player who even thought of taking a steroid for an advantage and there NEVER will be.
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Yeah but you jumped on a statement I made, which has considerable evidence to back it up.
 
The evidence Includes multiple positive tests and confirmed examples of the authorities in these countries not doing enough to prevent doping.
 
I didnt just make that statement because I looked at some athletes and thought it

red terror

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It also reduces anxiety, and can help focus controlled aggression. Much the same as beta blocker drugs that are also banned. 
It also opens up the lungs and makes them work better. 
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Like I said, really, really hard to take WADA seriously. Yoga and transcendental meditation might be next.

red terror

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The evidence Includes multiple positive tests and confirmed examples of the authorities in these countries not doing enough to prevent doping.
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You mentioned Kenya and Jamaica. Look, I realize these are poor third-world nations where medical labs may not be at the cutting-edges of pharmaceutical performance enhancing technology. Russia is still pretty backwards, maybe it's second-world.
 
But the United States of America is definitely First World, has had SHITLOADS of positive tests, and they ARE on the leading edge of Big Pharma and professional sports. Same goes for Canada, where the public had their eyes rudely opened 27 years ago after decades of finger-pointing at the Soviet-bloc.
 
If it happens in the third world, and it happens in the second world, and it also happens in the first world, then yeah, you're probably going to get some ignorant people who suspect that rugby players might be on the juice and will even shrug their shoulders and tell you it's "obvious.".

SammyC

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You mentioned Kenya and Jamaica. Look, I realize these are poor third-world nations where medical labs may not be at the cutting-edges of pharmaceutical performance enhancing technology. Russia is still pretty backwards, maybe it's second-world.
 
But the United States of America is definitely First World, has had SHITLOADS of positive tests, and they ARE on the leading edge of Big Pharma and professional sports. Same goes for Canada, where the public had their eyes rudely opened 27 years ago after decades of finger-pointing at the Soviet-bloc.
 
If it happens in the third world, and it happens in the second world, and it also happens in the first world, then yeah, you're probably going to get some ignorant people who suspect that rugby players might be on the juice and will even shrug their shoulders and tell you it's "obvious.".
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No shit it's not limited to these countries, I mentioned them to make my point.
 
In fact this is what I said...... "it's pretty obvious what's happening (or not happening) in Kenya, Jamaica and probably the rest of the world, but will it ever be revealed?"
 
The leaked data I referred to fingered a number of prominent English and American athletes as almost certainly doping. Paula Radcliffe among others.

mariner4life

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Not my point. PERCEPTION is the point. There's a skeptical audience and there is "obvious-ness." People have told me in the past month they believe ABs are on steroids. Their evidence...? They don't need any. Not when it's so transparently "obvious." And remember, these are people who grew up with Ben. Incredibly skeptical and suspicious people. "Obviously."
 
Many people throwing stones and looking for specks in their brothers eyes, but let me state for the record: There has NEVER been a Kiwi rugby player who even thought of taking a steroid for an advantage and there NEVER will be.
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Are you saying this in Lance Armstrong's voice?
 
I doubt it's steroids. We do finish games very strong....

Crazy Horse

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Were you on a stop-watch? 
I was a paid guinea-pig almost 30 years ago at university (Psych Dept), paid to puff weed and conduct mental and physical exercises. It might have distracted me from cramp pains but it sure didn't improve my motor skills, endurance, nor my speed and agility. 
I may have been the outlier. Or, maybe I simply didn't smoke enough of it.</blockquote>
 
No stop watch. Running is all about relaxation for me. I never time myself because I am way too competitive. I would end up racing the clock and injuring myself. 
I was useless at squash when I had weed. My reactions would be slow. The only other sport I tried after weed was netball. Some games, if I got in the zone, I would be bloody good. Other games I would be shit if my mind was all over the place.

taniwharugby

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Are you saying this in Lance Armstrong's voice?
 
I doubt it's steroids. We do finish games very strong....
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PowerAde bro!

mariner4life

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PowerAde bro!
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corporate shill!

Nepia

Big Energy Drink can't stand for a thread about steroids!

jegga

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Not my point. PERCEPTION is the point. There's a skeptical audience and there is "obvious-ness." People have told me in the past month they believe ABs are on steroids. Their evidence...? They don't need any. Not when it's so transparently "obvious." And remember, these are people who grew up with Ben. Incredibly skeptical and suspicious people. "Obviously."
 
Many people throwing stones and looking for specks in their brothers eyes, but let me state for the record: There has NEVER been a Kiwi rugby player who even thought of taking a steroid for an advantage and there NEVER will be.
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Unless I've fallen into a sarchasm you seem awfully confident about that. I'm not though.

mariner4life

I'm sure he's making a point about something, there is no way he's serious

jegga

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I'm sure he's making a point about something, there is no way he's serious
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If he is it went over my head, I doubt anyone else is going to be as honest about it as Francois Peinaar was though. When did drug testing become part of rugby?

mariner4life

I'm sure they are tested, i am just becoming more and more cynical that a negative result doesn't mean shit

jegga

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I'm sure they are tested, i am just becoming more and more cynical that a negative result doesn't mean shit
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Were players tested before the game went pro? Agree a negative test is fairly meaningless now, the cheating is more sophisticated . Also theres this, which is interesting and I'm not sure how its going to play out in the future. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.richroll.com/podcast/craig-heller/'>http://www.richroll.com/podcast/craig-heller/</a>

TeWaio

Don't rugby players (and soccer) only get urine tested? 
EPO is only detectable by a blood test, and would be perfect for enabling you to go the full 80/90mins at 100%.
 
People (rightly) give cycling and athletics a lots of shit, but at least they have regular (including out of competition) blood testing and a full biological passport systems.
 
If the sophistication of cheats if a function of how much money is in the sport, its a bit laughable that athletics/cycling have way better testing with only a fraction of the $$$ is involved, and are perceived as dirty as sin, while rugby/soccer/NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB is thought of as cleaner.

The Silver Fern

Same old Russians, always cheating