World Cup Final match thread

NTA

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Geez I've got a completely different pic here. Did you come prepared or what NTA? lol
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 ;)
 
We were debating it over at GAGR while picking through the bones yesterday Foxtel Play was running the replay (think they did it back-to-back all day yesterday) and I grabbed it while I was there.
 
The other gold jersey I thought was Foley but I think its Mitchell, and he was retreating at the time.

Crucial

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See attached screenshot. Ball has left Genia's boot at this stage (the white blur). Foley marked with an arrow, standing on the 5m line marker. No evidence he is ahead of the ball. Perfectly timed run.
 
 
<img src="http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/public/style_images/master/attachicon.gif" alt="attachicon.gif"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=1897'>foles.png</a>
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I haven't bothered looking at this before but a few people seem to be mentioning it so I was curious.
 
Nick that photo actually makes it look very close if you take the perspective into account. Without knowing the camera angle/zoom etc, just carry the angle of that line marking back to the kicker and Foley is ahead. 
I'm not saying that is the case, as we don't have an indication of what angle that line should actually be, but your photo certainly doesn't prove he is behind either.

Nepia

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Ben" data-cid="538192" data-time="1446419850">
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It's obviously academic now. But I'd wager they had the harsher end of the deal from the officials. By some distance as well.
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I'd take that wager. 10 minutes without a prop makes a big difference to how a team goes.

NTA

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I haven't bothered looking at this before but a few people seem to be mentioning it so I was curious.
 
Nick that photo actually makes it look very close if you take the perspective into account. Without knowing the camera angle/zoom etc, just carry the angle of that line marking back to the kicker and Foley is ahead. 
I'm not saying that is the case, as we don't have an indication of what angle that line should actually be, but your photo certainly doesn't prove he is behind either.
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First thing is the ball has already left Genia's boot at this stage, though not by much.
 
The main bits I used to check Foley were the 5m line marker versus 15m line marker (Owens partially obscurces the latter) but also the mowing line you can see running through the ruck (dark grass versus slightly lighter grass). Foley is further from the darker grassed area.
 
I tried to use the 40m line, but because of parallax effect it doesn't actually sit correctly on the right side of the picture. I cut off the extreme right side of the picture when taking the screen shot.

voodoo

I thought there 2 decisions that went our way in the first half, the forward pass and the missed knock-on. They happened pretty close to each other, and just as we were really starting to get momentum on the park and the scoreboard - not saying they caused the momentum because neither led directly to anything of substance, but the timing made it worse. Aside from that, I don't think we got any rub of the green, the rest was fairly balanced with a few arguments from both sides for unclear offenses.
 
No way Foley was in front, forget the stills and go back to the video, he was totally fine.

barbarian

Jeez guys can we let the reffing go? It's a bit sad. You won, deservedly. Each side can point to places where they feel hard done by. That's rugby.
 
This business of raking through decisions and non-decisions with a fine tooth comb just gets in the way of talking about the 30 blokes that really mattered.

Crucial

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First thing is the ball has already left Genia's boot at this stage, though not by much.
 
The main bits I used to check Foley were the 5m line marker versus 15m line marker (Owens partially obscurces the latter) but also the mowing line you can see running through the ruck (dark grass versus slightly lighter grass). Foley is further from the darker grassed area.
 
I tried to use the 40m line, but because of parallax effect it doesn't actually sit correctly on the right side of the picture. I cut off the extreme right side of the picture when taking the screen shot.
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Fair call. I couldn't see the mowing strip until you pointed it out.

Nepia

I'd like to talk about how Foley was offside, Kaino tackled Pocock high, Kepu tackled everyone high, Pocock stomped on McCaw ....
 
Was that what you were thinking Baabaa? ;)

antipodean

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="538172" data-time="1446417930"> :lol: I am thoroughly amused how a few people here, after seeing the draw and wondering if Australia would even get out of the pool, are now saying we had it easy. Hindsight fucking genius aplenty here. :lol:</blockquote> That's the benefit of being an armchair pundit. Everyone expected England to be much better than they were. No one could have predicted Wales' and Ireland's injury issues. Or that Wales have no fucking idea what an overlap is. <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Ben" data-cid="538178" data-time="1446418590">You guys didn't get the rub of the green from the officials. Probably not game changing but I'd still find it fucking annoying if it was my side. You've shown remarkably good grace. As did Noddy Lynagh on the box here in the UK. Commendable.</blockquote> Not all. This amused me no end: After quarterfinal <img src="http://i.imgur.com/7jOR223.png" alt="7jOR223.png"> After final <img src="http://i.imgur.com/hDMN53R.png" alt="hDMN53R.png">

NTA

LOL. Same person?

antipodean

Yeah, that's what makes it amusing. I'm sure the irony is missed on a lot of us at times which is why I make a concerted effort to not be a hypocrite. A fluffybunny yes, but a hypocrite is too far...

jegga

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="antipodean" data-cid="538217" data-time="1446421530">That's the benefit of being an armchair pundit. Everyone expected England to be much better than they were. No one could have predicted Wales' and Ireland's injury issues. Or that Wales have no fucking idea what an overlap is. Not all. This amused me no end:After quarterfinal<img src="http://i.imgur.com/7jOR223.png" alt="7jOR223.png">After final<img src="http://i.imgur.com/hDMN53R.png" alt="hDMN53R.png"></blockquote>
 
Pffft , says volumes about the mentalities of Aussies . I mean ffs who writes cheques these days?

NTA

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Pffft , says volumes about the mentalities of Aussies . I mean ffs who writes cheques these days?
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Its a question I ask every time they want to cater for it in the latest version of our software....
 
Apparently one of our stores in particular, out near where I grew up, caters to big landowners who still do their business via cheque. Drive a couple of hours into town once a month, buy a shitload of groceries, pay by cheque. All legit, been doing it for years. Big 4WD with fridge/freezer units and other cold storage in the back.
 
These are guys who buy tractors using their chequebook.

ACT Crusader

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Pffft , says volumes about the mentalities of Aussies . I mean ffs who writes cheques these days?
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A nice 'electronic funds transfer from NZ in a couple of days', just doesn't have the same ring to it.....

mariner4life

Fees are a killer as well

dejo

What about a just a nice old fashioned BJ?

Sambo

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I thought there 2 decisions that went our way in the first half, the forward pass and the missed knock-on. They happened pretty close to each other, and just as we were really starting to get momentum on the park and the scoreboard - not saying they caused the momentum because neither led directly to anything of substance, but the timing made it worse. Aside from that, I don't think we got any rub of the green, the rest was fairly balanced with a few arguments from both sides for unclear offenses.
 
No way Foley was in front, forget the stills and go back to the video, he was totally fine.
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where is the missed knock on? i recall one that seemed it but after watching it numerous times last night it wasn't. Was a poor pass that hit Skuds/B Smith?? foot before he picked it up? They shot to Cheika and he was having a bit of a tanty but it wasn't a knock on. Is that the one?

nostrildamus

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="red terror" data-cid="538139" data-time="1446413217">I watched the match live with Brit commentary. Then the replay in Spanish. Later I watched the highlight packages with Nisbo and Meg, and have to say Meg sounded like the least impartial colour announcer ever. He didn't sound like a professional commentator, on those highlights he sounded more like a porn star having orgasms.</blockquote>So not convincing then?

kiwiinmelb

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I can see the logic of that if you're coming at it from Ted's flawed strategy of smoking it up in the pools and expending vital physical and mental energy + telegraphing our gameplan for the world to see!
 
I thought Pocock looked exhausted yesterday.
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I think end of the day , both sides knew before hand what they were up against , and you have to prepare accordingly , 
 
There was concern along time before the tournament started , a tough semi against South Africa would drain us even if we won , 
 
With the benefit of hindsight that wasnt the case , it has to said Hanson and co managed our players perfectly

Mick Gold Coast QLD

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First thing is the ball has already left Genia's boot at this stage, though not by much.
 
The main bits I used to check Foley were the 5m line marker versus 15m line marker (Owens partially obscurces the latter) but also the mowing line you can see running through the ruck (dark grass versus slightly lighter grass). Foley is further from the darker grassed area.
 
I tried to use the 40m line, but because of parallax effect it doesn't actually sit correctly on the right side of the picture. I cut off the extreme right side of the picture when taking the screen shot.
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I haven't read back to discover what this discussion is about but I am sure as ship going to use that line on Friday night at the boozer on the several expat New Zealand mates who will arrive triumphant. I'll be sent off to buy a penalty shout for my sins but I'm gonna use it anyway!
 
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Jeez guys can we let the reffing go? It's a bit sad. You won, deservedly. Each side can point to places where they feel hard done by. That's rugby.
 
This business of raking through decisions and non-decisions with a fine tooth comb just gets in the way of talking about the 30 blokes that really mattered.
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I cannot recall referee decisions getting anywhere near the attention they attract now in post match arguments with the mates in years gone by.
 
We focused mostly on things like Scott-bloody-Johnson kicking away too much good ball, why Roebuck wasn't used more and the lunatic action / sensational effort by Campesi. What Peter Marshall, John McCarthy or Stuart Dickinson (or Gordon Bray in lower grades) had done out in the middle truly was incidental.

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