All Blacks 2021
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@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby yep the players that impress me are the ones who stick with it, the players we need are not ones who pull the pin! I also didn't really think Laumape really clicked with anyone at the Canes, with plenty of starts. Apart from a few times he really didn't dominate at that level either. He wasn't poor by any means, but probably come on as much as I had thought he would!
Cut him some slack as he had the impediment of some very ordinary first fives, led by JGB, to try to overcome.
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how many excuses can we come up with until we circle back to maybe he just wasn't that good?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
how many excuses can we come up with until we circle back to maybe he just wasn't that good?
What absolute rubbish... as mentioned there are plenty of blokes like ALB & Goodue that had a ton of starts, yet offered very little on attack.
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@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
It's getting better. Havili is apparently the answer at 13.
That's not getting started on the Laumape (5'7", 105 kgs) versus Nonu (6', 108kgs) comparisons.
Who would you have at 13 then ? Rieko Ioane certainly isn't the answer, he gets caught out position every time he plays in the midfield, he tends to drift across to the wing most of the time, when he has performed well starting in the midfield it's always when he's attacked down the flanks... put him back on the wings where he belongs, why the hell would anyone want play one of the fastest wingers in the world out of position anyway ?
L & N are not that tall compared to SBWs as a midfielder, think he was about 6'5'' he didn't break the advantage line up the guts as much them because they have a lower centre of gravity.
in fairness, using your logic, Rieko hasn't had a long run of games at 13, they keep doing what you suggest by putting him back to 11. Surely if Laumape needed a long run to really settle in the black jersey so might Reiko?
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
It's getting better. Havili is apparently the answer at 13.
That's not getting started on the Laumape (5'7", 105 kgs) versus Nonu (6', 108kgs) comparisons.
Who would you have at 13 then ? Rieko Ioane certainly isn't the answer, he gets caught out position every time he plays in the midfield, he tends to drift across to the wing most of the time, when he has performed well starting in the midfield it's always when he's attacked down the flanks... put him back on the wings where he belongs, why the hell would anyone want play one of the fastest wingers in the world out of position anyway ?
L & N are not that tall compared to SBWs as a midfielder, think he was about 6'5'' he didn't break the advantage line up the guts as much them because they have a lower centre of gravity.
in fairness, using your logic, Rieko hasn't had a long run of games at 13, they keep doing what you suggest by putting him back to 11. Surely if Laumape needed a long run to really settle in the black jersey so might Reiko?
I personally am real interested to see how Reiko goes after a reasonably full Super season at 13, as I have said if thei RTS character is as good as some are indicating, they might just cause a rethink of midfield. I am a real ALB fan, but like always try and keep an open mind.
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
It's getting better. Havili is apparently the answer at 13.
That's not getting started on the Laumape (5'7", 105 kgs) versus Nonu (6', 108kgs) comparisons.
Who would you have at 13 then ? Rieko Ioane certainly isn't the answer, he gets caught out position every time he plays in the midfield, he tends to drift across to the wing most of the time, when he has performed well starting in the midfield it's always when he's attacked down the flanks... put him back on the wings where he belongs, why the hell would anyone want play one of the fastest wingers in the world out of position anyway ?
L & N are not that tall compared to SBWs as a midfielder, think he was about 6'5'' he didn't break the advantage line up the guts as much them because they have a lower centre of gravity.
in fairness, using your logic, Rieko hasn't had a long run of games at 13, they keep doing what you suggest by putting him back to 11. Surely if Laumape needed a long run to really settle in the black jersey so might Reiko?
The bloke has had a really good crack at 13 with the Blues though & hasn't performed that well - also I look at player where he's going to add the most value for the team, for me it's his deadly pace, so would prefer him to be on the wing... him & Jordon would be my starting wingers for the ABs.
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@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
how many excuses can we come up with until we circle back to maybe he just wasn't that good?
What absolute rubbish... as mentioned there are plenty of blokes like ALB & Goodue that had a ton of starts, yet offered very little on attack.
ALB is twice the Test player Laumape is.
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@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
It's getting better. Havili is apparently the answer at 13.
That's not getting started on the Laumape (5'7", 105 kgs) versus Nonu (6', 108kgs) comparisons.
Who would you have at 13 then ? Rieko Ioane certainly isn't the answer, he gets caught out position every time he plays in the midfield, he tends to drift across to the wing most of the time, when he has performed well starting in the midfield it's always when he's attacked down the flanks... put him back on the wings where he belongs, why the hell would anyone want play one of the fastest wingers in the world out of position anyway ?
L & N are not that tall compared to SBWs as a midfielder, think he was about 6'5'' he didn't break the advantage line up the guts as much them because they have a lower centre of gravity.
in fairness, using your logic, Rieko hasn't had a long run of games at 13, they keep doing what you suggest by putting him back to 11. Surely if Laumape needed a long run to really settle in the black jersey so might Reiko?
The bloke has had a really good crack at 13 with the Blues though & hasn't performed that well - also I look at player where he's going to add the most value for the team, for me it's his deadly pace, so would prefer him to be on the wing... him & Jordon would be my starting wingers for the ABs.
i thought Reiko was pretty much a stand out at 13 for the blues
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
Some players suit Super Rugby more than test rugby. Others suit test rugby more than Super Rugby. Laumape was the former.
Mental toughness is vital, especially in test level, L certainly has that & the overall skill sets in his position.
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@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
It's getting better. Havili is apparently the answer at 13.
That's not getting started on the Laumape (5'7", 105 kgs) versus Nonu (6', 108kgs) comparisons.
Who would you have at 13 then ? Rieko Ioane certainly isn't the answer, he gets caught out position every time he plays in the midfield, he tends to drift across to the wing most of the time, when he has performed well starting in the midfield it's always when he's attacked down the flanks... put him back on the wings where he belongs, why the hell would anyone want play one of the fastest wingers in the world out of position anyway ?
L & N are not that tall compared to SBWs as a midfielder, think he was about 6'5'' he didn't break the advantage line up the guts as much them because they have a lower centre of gravity.
in fairness, using your logic, Rieko hasn't had a long run of games at 13, they keep doing what you suggest by putting him back to 11. Surely if Laumape needed a long run to really settle in the black jersey so might Reiko?
The bloke has had a really good crack at 13 with the Blues though & hasn't performed that well - also I look at player where he's going to add the most value for the team, for me it's his deadly pace, so would prefer him to be on the wing... him & Jordon would be my starting wingers for the ABs.
i thought Reiko was pretty much a stand out at 13 for the blues
He tends to get caught out of position a fair bit like he does in the AB midfield... he's outstanding when he gets into open space using the obvious pace he has.
Think he has played at 13 for the Blues for the last two seasons ? -
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
It's getting better. Havili is apparently the answer at 13.
That's not getting started on the Laumape (5'7", 105 kgs) versus Nonu (6', 108kgs) comparisons.
Who would you have at 13 then ? Rieko Ioane certainly isn't the answer, he gets caught out position every time he plays in the midfield, he tends to drift across to the wing most of the time, when he has performed well starting in the midfield it's always when he's attacked down the flanks... put him back on the wings where he belongs, why the hell would anyone want play one of the fastest wingers in the world out of position anyway ?
L & N are not that tall compared to SBWs as a midfielder, think he was about 6'5'' he didn't break the advantage line up the guts as much them because they have a lower centre of gravity.
in fairness, using your logic, Rieko hasn't had a long run of games at 13, they keep doing what you suggest by putting him back to 11. Surely if Laumape needed a long run to really settle in the black jersey so might Reiko?
The bloke has had a really good crack at 13 with the Blues though & hasn't performed that well - also I look at player where he's going to add the most value for the team, for me it's his deadly pace, so would prefer him to be on the wing... him & Jordon would be my starting wingers for the ABs.
I'm having a good time imagining @Tim's head exploding about now.
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Fucking looooool
Laumape has the same attributes of the most well-rounded 12 of the past 20 years
Am I being pranked here?
They are brown dudes who played 12 for the canes, and they both have 2 legs. All similarities end there
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@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
It's getting better. Havili is apparently the answer at 13.
That's not getting started on the Laumape (5'7", 105 kgs) versus Nonu (6', 108kgs) comparisons.
Who would you have at 13 then ? Rieko Ioane certainly isn't the answer, he gets caught out position every time he plays in the midfield, he tends to drift across to the wing most of the time, when he has performed well starting in the midfield it's always when he's attacked down the flanks... put him back on the wings where he belongs, why the hell would anyone want play one of the fastest wingers in the world out of position anyway ?
L & N are not that tall compared to SBWs as a midfielder, think he was about 6'5'' he didn't break the advantage line up the guts as much them because they have a lower centre of gravity.
in fairness, using your logic, Rieko hasn't had a long run of games at 13, they keep doing what you suggest by putting him back to 11. Surely if Laumape needed a long run to really settle in the black jersey so might Reiko?
The bloke has had a really good crack at 13 with the Blues though & hasn't performed that well - also I look at player where he's going to add the most value for the team, for me it's his deadly pace, so would prefer him to be on the wing... him & Jordon would be my starting wingers for the ABs.
Best centre I have seen was also the bloody fastest in the backline, one Bruce Robertson, used his pace to run wingers into position!
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I've had a bit to do with him up here, coaching and a bit socially, true gent.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Fucking looooool
Laumape has the same attributes of the most well-rounded 12 of the past 20 years
Am I being pranked here?
They are brown dudes who played 12 for the canes, and they both have 2 legs. All similarities end there
It's unbelievable some of the shite you & a few others have fired at Laumape, yet you've said stuff all about the underperforming midfielders Foster has selected.
Anyway, the game is obviously controlled by the forwards - so for Ireland & France to do us over so badly in the forwards was an absolute bloody shocker ! we lacked mongrel/urgency taking the ball up through the phases, also didn't get enough numbers to clean, blow past the ball smashing the opposition players out the way... instead our ball carriers got isolated too much, allowing them to either steal our ball, win a penalty or slow our possession down a lot, this is just basic stuff we didn't do, the coaching staff & players have wake up & get things right.
Hopefully Schimdt can add some common sense to the coaching group, otherwise things are just going to worse, christ, that's a scary thought. -
@kiwibloke Can you point to a single outstanding, or at least quality, test match performance from Laumape?
I am struggling to think of any.
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@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
It's getting better. Havili is apparently the answer at 13.
That's not getting started on the Laumape (5'7", 105 kgs) versus Nonu (6', 108kgs) comparisons.
Who would you have at 13 then ? Rieko Ioane certainly isn't the answer, he gets caught out position every time he plays in the midfield, he tends to drift across to the wing most of the time, when he has performed well starting in the midfield it's always when he's attacked down the flanks... put him back on the wings where he belongs, why the hell would anyone want play one of the fastest wingers in the world out of position anyway ?
L & N are not that tall compared to SBWs as a midfielder, think he was about 6'5'' he didn't break the advantage line up the guts as much them because they have a lower centre of gravity.
in fairness, using your logic, Rieko hasn't had a long run of games at 13, they keep doing what you suggest by putting him back to 11. Surely if Laumape needed a long run to really settle in the black jersey so might Reiko?
The bloke has had a really good crack at 13 with the Blues though & hasn't performed that well - also I look at player where he's going to add the most value for the team, for me it's his deadly pace, so would prefer him to be on the wing... him & Jordon would be my starting wingers for the ABs.
Best centre I have seen was also the bloody fastest in the backline, one Bruce Robertson, used his pace to run wingers into position!
Totally agree, the bloke had all the skills & pace, was a very smart player too.
