All Blacks 2021
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Back row in particular can't work in isolation ie, the three need to be complimentary. Put a Cane/Papali'i and then a Kaino type 6 with Savea and my bet is there would be no arguments about Savea's merits.
I've come to the conclusion Savea and Akira can't play in the same backrow, puts too much pressure on our openside to do the grunt work
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Moody 2024?!
He’s already showing signs of a downward slide.
We need tanks that can scrum AND cart the ball up strong.Probably a bit unfair as the other way to look at it is that it's great not to lose his experience overseas and he can help the young bucks. I just hope he doesn't become a roadblock.
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@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
He's already 33 ...
They are signing old All Blacks on long contracts ...
On the other hand many lament the experience drain when older All Blacks are lost overseas. I am happy for the likes of Moody to.hang around NZ and pass on their knowledge.
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Ardie shows you don't have to have an agent to get yourself the sort of deal you want
'He got a pay cut': Why Ardie Savea fought for a four-year deal with NZR
Ardie Savea has referenced what happened to two former All Blacks as key motivators behind his new four-year deal with New Zealand Rugby.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
He's already 33 ...
They are signing old All Blacks on long contracts ...
Moody has done well to get an extra year as most contracts seem to be linked to the RWC cycles now.
That is player choice, not union. Getting a year after rwc is good for union as means at least one more experienced player stats around, rather than mass Exodus after cup
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Given the depth in our props I'm not sure why Moody got a contract beyond 2023?
Should have used the $$ to develop Bower, Big Mike, De Groot, Hodgman who are all in their late 20's.
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This is a hard one, as we want to keep him, but is tricky because it sort of reminds of the situation when we re-signed Franks, who was pretty clearly not going to be good enough for 2019 when we could have tried to keep Charlie.
Their ages were the same I think, so it's not quite the same (edit, and Moody might be able to stay in WC shape), but I hope this doesn't lead to us losing someone like Hodgman, who should currently be there over Bower anyway, but could bolt now that he sees the writing on the wall with Moody's long contract.
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@crucial Nah, he is fine in the Crusaders. I still maintain it is more about the AB system than the players.
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@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial Nah, he is fine in the Crusaders. I still maintain it is more about the AB system than the players.
The systems don’t stop him tackling hard or putting some leg drive into his carries though.
I will give him some benefit of doubt from a disrupted season but he appears on the slide -
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial Nah, he is fine in the Crusaders. I still maintain it is more about the AB system than the players.
He might be fine at lower levels but no longer up to test standard. Happens to the best.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
I'll cut Moody some slack as he had that foot injury which meant a long layoff. The same applies to Ofa. No excuses for either in 2022. They need to perform like senior AB props.
That really applies to the entire team when we play the boks and in the NH tour next year. I would imagine Ireland will be fucked when they come here on torr, their teams will be played to death in the not Heineken cup etc. But still we'll have to hit the ground running to avoid another awful addition to Foster's CV of failures
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Knowler gets his crystal ball out for a potential AB team at the 2023 RWC.
1 Joe Moody, 2 Samisoni Taukei'aho, 3 Tyrel Lomax, 4 Brodie Retallick, 5 Scott Barrett, 6 Luke Jacobson, 7 Sam Cane (captain), 8 Ardie Savea, 9 Aaron Smith, 10 Beauden Barrett, 11 Leicester Fainga’anuku, 12 Jack Goodhue, 13 Rieko Ioane, 14 Will Jordan, 15 Jordie Barrett.
Not the team I would be selecting but he'll generate some clicks.
