2021 New Zealand U20s
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@canes4life said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:
Does anyone know if the match is being streamed anywhere?
Not that I'm aware of.
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@stargazer said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:
@bovidae Segner captained the Crusaders U20, didn't he?
Yes, until he got injured. Gallagher was the NZ Schools captain and took over from Segner for the Crusaders U20s.
The 1st half team for the NZ U20s looks to be close to their best XV. Segner would likely come into that team at no.8. Halfback could be any of the three.
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@bovidae said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:
@nepia He is named in the squad so must be. Reece played for NZ Schools but wasn't eligible for the U20s, so was not included.
Yeah, obviously, but what is the difference between him and Fakatava and Reece? Did his whole family move out here?
Could he play a test for the All Blacks on Saturday?
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@nepia said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:
@bovidae said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:
@nepia He is named in the squad so must be. Reece played for NZ Schools but wasn't eligible for the U20s, so was not included.
Yeah, obviously, but what is the difference between him and Fakatava and Reece? Did his whole family move out here?
Could he play a test for the All Blacks on Saturday?
More 'correct' sounding surnames, so no one checks.
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@nepia said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:
Is Segner eligible for NZ? I thought that Fakatava missed out on the U20s as he wasn't eligible. I thought Segner was in the same boat. (I've probably asked this question, or someone else has, already but hey the memory isn't as good as it once was).
IIRC Fakatava missed out on the NZU20s because of visa problems, not due to ineligibility.
The normal eligibility criteria do not apply at U20s level.
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If a player comes over on a scholarship, that time at school doesn't count towards the residency period. Is it possible Segner came over without a scholarship?
Edit: changed the last sentence as I don't actually have any clue, and I half made that up as I went along.
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@stargazer Taniela Tupou had Visa issues too didnt he, which is why he ended up in Aus (wasnt Kefu the same?)
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@taniwharugby said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:
@stargazer Taniela Tupou had Visa issues too didnt he, which is why he ended up in Aus (wasnt Kefu the same?)
Perhaps, but he also only really ever wanted to play for Australia. And his brother was there too, from memoy.
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@taniwharugby said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:
@stargazer Taniela Tupou had Visa issues too didnt he, which is why he ended up in Aus (wasnt Kefu the same?)
No visa issue for Kefu. He was born in Oz. Did his schooling in NZ and his family is still here. Just lured back with opportunity.
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@bobily2 Eligibility has nothing to do with a scholarship. It's about where the player's permanent and primary home was when he was still a student/ before the age of majority.
Oh, and Segner was on a scholarship from Nelson College.
- What is the position of students?
As far as students are concerned, particularly those that are not financially independent, being resident, as a full-time student, in another country, is likely to be considered as a series of temporary absences from the parental home. It is anticipated that in the majority of cases involving students the parental home is likely to continue to constitute the student’s permanent and primary home. Accordingly, attendance at school by a person who has not yet reached the age of majority in such circumstances is unlikely to break a Player’s consecutive period of Residence. However, as in all matters of eligibility, the overriding concern of the Regulations Committee in assessing any such case will be to ensure that there remains a close, credible and established link with the country in which the Player claims to have retained his primary and permanent home. There could be circumstances in which a student living in another country may wish to elect to commence a new period of residency in the country in which they are studying, for example where the Player is attending college/university (having reached the age of majority) in the jurisdiction of another Union and has relocated there on a permanent basis i.e. has only taken short breaks away from that new country as set out in paragraph 16 above. In cases involving students, the relevant Union and Player are advised to request a ruling from the Regulations Committee to ensure compliance in advance of the Player representing the Union. It is not permissible for a Union or educational establishment to offer scholarships or other benefits that restrict a Player’s ability to choose which Union they wish to represent.
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- What is the position of students?
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@taniwharugby said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:
@stargazer Taniela Tupou had Visa issues too didnt he, which is why he ended up in Aus (wasnt Kefu the same?)
I think you may be thinking of Willie O.
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@nepia said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:
@bovidae said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:
@nepia He is named in the squad so must be. Reece played for NZ Schools but wasn't eligible for the U20s, so was not included.
Yeah, obviously, but what is the difference between him and Fakatava and Reece? Did his whole family move out here?
Could he play a test for the All Blacks on Saturday?
Segner came to NZ by himself, not with his family. He could not play for the ABs on Saturday, because he hasn't met the 3-year residency requirement yet. That's unless they can convince WR that the residency period should start running before he finished school and/or turned 18 (ie. had his permanent and primary home in NZ and not his parental home in Germany).
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@stargazer said in 2021 New Zealand U20s:
@bobily2 Eligibility has nothing to do with a scholarship. It's about where the player's permanent and primary home was when he was still a student/ before the age of majority.
Oh, and Segner was on a scholarship from Nelson College.
- What is the position of students?
As far as students are concerned, particularly those that are not financially independent, being resident, as a full-time student, in another country, is likely to be considered as a series of temporary absences from the parental home. It is anticipated that in the majority of cases involving students the parental home is likely to continue to constitute the student’s permanent and primary home. Accordingly, attendance at school by a person who has not yet reached the age of majority in such circumstances is unlikely to break a Player’s consecutive period of Residence. However, as in all matters of eligibility, the overriding concern of the Regulations Committee in assessing any such case will be to ensure that there remains a close, credible and established link with the country in which the Player claims to have retained his primary and permanent home. There could be circumstances in which a student living in another country may wish to elect to commence a new period of residency in the country in which they are studying, for example where the Player is attending college/university (having reached the age of majority) in the jurisdiction of another Union and has relocated there on a permanent basis i.e. has only taken short breaks away from that new country as set out in paragraph 16 above. In cases involving students, the relevant Union and Player are advised to request a ruling from the Regulations Committee to ensure compliance in advance of the Player representing the Union. It is not permissible for a Union or educational establishment to offer scholarships or other benefits that restrict a Player’s ability to choose which Union they wish to represent.
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Ahh, journalists reporting on Sevu Reece led me astray. I did actually look to corroborate that first.
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The NZ Schoolboys team do (or did) appear to have a different eligibility criteria than the U20s because there is an extra chef in the kitchen (The New Zealand Schools Rugby Council ).
From 2017 NZH article, re: Tupou
But Tupou, who was born in Tonga, is not a New Zealand passport holder and will not be eligible to play for the national secondary schools team later this year.
The New Zealand Rugby Union (NZRU), in conjunction with the New Zealand Schools Rugby Council (NZSRC), has decreed only players with New Zealand passports can be pickedAs recently as last year rugby administrators made exemptions for boys who didn't have passports as long as they had signed contracts with New Zealand provincial rugby unions. At this year's annual meeting, however, the NZSRC confirmed no exceptions would be made in 2014, meaning New Zealand will reject one of the most promising players in the country.
Obviously, this didn't apply pre 2014.
Does it still apply? who knows .... Segner played 2 years later.
